Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[travrosty]

i've given up on the guy, he disappeared. if psa had stuck by their original authentication and said it was real during the re-examination, Donovan would have come on here and we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Looks like that didn't happen and he isn't saying anything for a particular reason.

I asked him for the two ted williams that look alike, and he said he would post them over a week ago. he doesnt want to do that now, because doing that means that he is available, and by not talking all together, he wants us to think he is away or not available.

[keithsky]

Why are you guys jumping on this Donovon guy. I'm sure PSA isn't going to drop everything to look at this Cobb autograph. Heck according to Richards statement the guy was supposed to send in the Cobb to PSA on the 23rd. Ok give it a few days for mail to get to PSA now it's the 26th then figure in a weekend and today is only the 4th. So maybe PSA has had it in there possesion for a few days. PSA probably won't look at it for a couple weeks. Blame them not this Donovon guy. Maybe he didn't send it in on the 23rd maybe the 24th or 25th. What is the big impatience. PSA isn't going to admit fault if if it is fake.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by keithsky

Why are you guys jumping on this Donovon guy. I'm sure PSA isn't going to drop everything to look at this Cobb autograph. Heck according to Richards statement the guy was supposed to send in the Cobb to PSA on the 23rd. Ok give it a few days for mail to get to PSA now it's the 26th then figure in a weekend and today is only the 4th. So maybe PSA has had it in there possesion for a few days. PSA probably won't look at it for a couple weeks. Blame them not this Donovon guy. Maybe he didn't send it in on the 23rd maybe the 24th or 25th. What is the big impatience. PSA isn't going to admit fault if if it is fake.

exactly, they arent going to admit fault if it is a fake, not to the general public anyway, but there are going to admit its a fake to donovan himself, then they are going to structure an agreement to keep it on the down low in exchange for consideration. that is what has most likely happened, if not, let's hear from you donovan!

donovan always checked in every few days. now its a couple of weeks and no word from donovan. He is MIA, people have had better luck finding someone in the witness protection program than get a word from donovan. we have sent him PM's and emails as well as posting here and on the memorabilia forum and he hasn't even said that psa hasn't gotten word back. we havent heard anything.

He went from considering suing people who suggested it was a fake, to playing the part of howard hughes, the world renown recluse.

we all know what happened.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by keithsky

Why are you guys jumping on this Donovon guy. I'm sure PSA isn't going to drop everything to look at this Cobb autograph. Heck according to Richards statement the guy was supposed to send in the Cobb to PSA on the 23rd. Ok give it a few days for mail to get to PSA now it's the 26th then figure in a weekend and today is only the 4th. So maybe PSA has had it in there possesion for a few days. PSA probably won't look at it for a couple weeks. Blame them not this Donovon guy. Maybe he didn't send it in on the 23rd maybe the 24th or 25th. What is the big impatience. PSA isn't going to admit fault if if it is fake.

Keith - we are not "jumping" on Donovan. He stated some things that he has not followed through on. He stated way back when that he was going to post some signed Ted Williams photos that looked "exactly" alike, according to his analysis.
Considering how anxious he was to resolve the problem I am pretty sure he sent it to PSA on the 23rd. Considering that PSA was getting negative publicity from this item, I am pretty sure it was moved up on their calendar once it arrived at their offices.
The fact that he has not posted here nor answered any of Travis' communications would indicate that he has gone into witness protection and the strong possibility exists that we won't hear from him again.
We just would like answers, he seemed to be trying to do the right thing but now he is nowhere to be found.

[Donavon]

Okay, conspiracy theorists. First off, I was unable to make it home on the 23rd as I was supposed to. I flew in for one week in another city for a new government class on new regulations for my industry. Then, had to come back to work early because my counterpart had a death in the family. I never made it home. I am now back at work for my normal two weeks at my workplace. PSA has the cut signature. My wife mailed it out via air mail last week. They are currently examining it, as I am told by Jackie Curiel (secretary to the president). I have no other information until their review is final. As for the Williams' pics..... I can't help you if I'm not home to take pictures. You will just have to wait another 2 weeks like I do. So.....put the pitchforks down & wait until there is actually more information to share.

Thanks,
Donavon

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Autograph Threads--- The Soap Opera of the hobby

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Okay, conspiracy theorists. First off, I was unable to make it home on the 23rd as I was supposed to. I flew in for one week in another city for a new government class on new regulations for my industry. Then, had to come back to work early because my counterpart had a death in the family. I never made it home. I am now back at work for my normal two weeks at my workplace. PSA has the cut signature. My wife mailed it out via air mail last week. They are currently examining it, as I am told by Jackie Curiel (secretary to the president). I have no other information until their review is final. As for the Williams' pics..... I can't help you if I'm not home to take pictures. You will just have to wait another 2 weeks like I do. So.....put the pitchforks down & wait until there is actually more information to share.

Thanks,
Donavon

some here expect you to stop your life, quit your job, leave your wife, fly to CA with the cobb, knock down psa door, demand joe orlando to explain the cut and the 300k ruth baseballs, and report back to the board on march 24th...because that's what an honorable man of his word would do.

...anything less and psa paid you off or you're in cahoot with orlando and part of the problem...be damn with common sense and patience. the obsession is getting scary.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

some here expect you to stop your life, quit your job, leave your wife, fly to CA with the cobb, knock down psa door, demand joe orlando to explain the cut and the 300k ruth baseballs, and report back to the board on march 24th...because that's what an honorable man of his word would do.

...anything less and psa paid you off or you're in cahoot with orlando and part of the problem...be damn with common sense and patience. the obsession is getting scary.

I'm starting to see that. Forget the fact that I haven't seen my wife & kids in over a month, but hey.....PSA has the Cobb now.....thanks to my wife. LOL.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

some here expect you to stop your life, quit your job, leave your wife, fly to CA with the cobb, knock down psa door, demand joe orlando to explain the cut and the 300k ruth baseballs, and report back to the board on march 24th...because that's what an honorable man of his word would do.

...anything less and psa paid you off or you're in cahoot with orlando and part of the problem...be damn with common sense and patience. the obsession is getting scary.

he simply said he would be around on the 23rd to post the pictures, which he didn't and he never showed up. that's not our fault. two weeks went by and nothing, so we had every right to be skeptical. He must have been visiting the land of no computers he couldn't quickly log on and tell us why the delay? we didnt expect the verdict from psa on the 23rd, but we did expect him to keep his word and show up like he promised. we didnt grab the pitchforks on the 23rd, the next day would have been fine, or the next day, or the next day, or the next day. but two more weeks go by a guy has to wonder.

I am still very interested to see what psa has to say.

[travrosty]

donovan, thanks for posting.

the pitchforks were never up, but when you said you would be around on the 23rd to put up the picture of the williams sigs, we took you at your word.

thanks for keeping us updated. keep us posted every few days.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i've given up on the guy, he disappeared. if psa had stuck by their original authentication and said it was real during the re-examination, Donovan would have come on here and we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Looks like that didn't happen and he isn't saying anything for a particular reason.

I asked him for the two ted williams that look alike, and he said he would post them over a week ago. he doesnt want to do that now, because doing that means that he is available, and by not talking all together, he wants us to think he is away or not available.

That & the other posts by yourself & Mr. Simon certainly sounds like the pitchforks were out. Just saying.......

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

That & the other posts by yourself & Mr. Simon certainly sounds like the pitchforks were out. Just saying.......

as you can read, after the 23rd, we didnt grab the pitchfords, we made many posts asking where you were, and if you could come and give us updates.

its only after two weeks went by we had every right to believe you would never show since you said you would give us an update on the 23rd when you got back.

i still would like to see the williams sigs

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

as you can read, after the 23rd, we didnt grab the pitchfords, we made many posts asking where you were, and if you could come and give us updates.

its only after two weeks went by we had every right to believe you would never show since you said you would give us an update on the 23rd when you got back.

i still would like to see the williams sigs

It will be another two weeks before I return home, but I may have some pictures of the Williams' autos from my old home. I will check & post them if so. That said......to imply that I stayed away from the board because I was "hiding" is simply wreckless. My time is needed in other areas as well, such as work, home, etc... Some of us do have lives outside of collecting. Unfortunately, I had to appease the government when I was supposed to be at home. To me, it sounds alot like the owner of the Hauls of Shame website giving out opinions on things that they have never themselves actually examined. "It's a fake. It's a laser copy, although I've never actually examined it." Travis, I know you have this vendetta against PSA, as clearly signaled by your exerpt from the aforementioned website. They do make mistakes, just as we humans often do. But they also get it right most of the time, regardless of what "Mr. Pop Goes The Weasel" has to say. By the way...... is anyone else here aware of that guy's legal troubles? He's being sued by just about everyone in the hobby, including a certain auction house CEO (that I would go to bat for any day) for over $800,000. And my integrity is questioned? What a load of b.s.!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

It will be another two weeks before I return home, but I may have some pictures of the Williams' autos from my old home. I will check & post them if so. That said......to imply that I stayed away from the board because I was "hiding" is simply wreckless. My time is needed in other areas as well, such as work, home, etc... Some of us do have lives outside of collecting. Unfortunately, I had to appease the government when I was supposed to be at home. To me, it sounds alot like the owner of the Hauls of Shame website giving out opinions on things that they have never themselves actually examined. "It's a fake. It's a laser copy, although I've never actually examined it." Travis, I know you have this vendetta against PSA, as clearly signaled by your exerpt from the aforementioned website. They do make mistakes, just as we humans often do. But they also get it right most of the time, regardless of what "Mr. Pop Goes The Weasel" has to say. By the way...... is anyone else here aware of that guy's legal troubles? He's being sued by just about everyone in the hobby, including a certain auction house CEO (that I would go to bat for any day) for over $800,000. And my integrity is questioned? What a load of b.s.!

I was railing against psa LONG, LONG, LONG before I ever heard the name Peter Nash, ok? Let's make this bad Cobb autograph about him, that somehow makes the autograph real, doesn't it? It's about the autograph, and the track record of PSA is what it is. I ask some people if PSA could have possibly certed a reprint, and they say no way, but the real PSA I can't put anything past just because we know what they have done in the past, it's scary.

but for some of us, this autograph is not up in the air, it's a settled issue already. But it's okay, I am willing to put all aside and wait for the verdict, I just want to see what PSA does, because they only have two options, real or fake.

They can say it's real, which is the funnest option. They can say it's fake, which they won't do in public and apologize, they would only do it privately with an agreement most liekly, that's why the odds are we won't hear it, it will just be silence. That's why we really want to hear the verdict, because silence= you know what.

All in all, no one here, richard and myself, are critical of you personally, but when you didn't show for two weeks after you said you would, we had reason to think we wouldn't hear from you again. And we want to hear from you again.

We might be critical of PSA, but they can prove us wrong and stick to their original "authentic" decision.

We have nothing against you, we just want to know the verdict. I am sure you do too.

[chaddurbin]

to me it looks like the same sig. i'm hoping for OP's sake psa does the right thing here, which history tells us is about 50/50. i would not be surprised if the cert # is suddenly gone from psa database in a couple weeks...but let the process play out.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

to me it looks like the same sig. i'm hoping for OP's sake psa does the right thing here, which history tells us is about 50/50. i would not be surprised if the cert # is suddenly gone from psa database in a couple weeks...but let the process play out.

The easier way for PSA, like I mentioned in a prior post, is to examine the Cobb, if they determine it is fake they reimburse Don. They keep the Cobb and destroy it and keep it in the database, thus admitting no error and never having to answer any questions about it.

[Donavon]

Okay.....I finally received word from PSA/DNA on the Cobb cut signature. The cut was, in fact, deemed a forgery. After a lengthy discussion with the operations manager, it seems that there is an amazing forger out there. The cut was not a laser copy as previously speculated, but a well made forgery by someone with a very skilled hand. PSA/DNA will be sending the cut back to me to do as I wish. They will also be removing it from their authentic data base, & reimbursing me for my troubles. So.....for all the negative attention, I would have to say that PSA/DNA did their job thoroughly. No one tried to cover up anything & they corrected their mistake, unlike what some have insinuated. We as human beings make mistakes, but to be honest & correct those mistakes takes a great deal of integrity. Therefore, I am quite pleased at the way PSA has handled the situation all together. You can also rest assured that this particular cut will never again see the marketplace. Thanks to everyone, especially Leon, for making me aware of the issue & helping me to get this situation fixed.

Sincerely,
Donavon

[travrosty]

Thank you for your response, Donovan.

[travrosty]

Donovan,

funny how they can tell an exact copy was in a forgers hand and not cobbs?

wonder what the tell tale signals were? if it was the exact same form as the original, how do they know cobb didnt sign it?

must be a thorough forger to add those several stray dots in the same spots as was shown in ron's example.

my view.

I don't suppose we can get specifics from psa on how they came to the conclusion it was a forgery when they couldn't tell the first time. What tipped them off this time?

I am not badgering you Donovan, I am badgering PSA because this doesn't sound right to me.

If you arent doing anything with it, could you mark it forgery on the back, and loan it to me for a week so i can see it? i would be very interested in checking it out.

again, you sent it to psa, and you got your response from them, so i have nothing against you.

travis

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Thank you for your response, Donovan.

Your welcome, Travis. And I will still post those Williams' auto pictures for you once I return home.