Reasons to agree with DAN McKEE....regarding the PIEDMONT Plank

[E93]

THe version of the story I have heard is that circulating around the show was word of a mint Wagner at a shop and Bill jumped on it, left the show, and went and bought the Wagner and other cards that were part of the group. I believe Lifson went along and loaned him some $ to facilitate the deal. If the card was already being touted as mint before Bill Mastro saw it, then if it did come from a sheet, it was presumably cut up before that. Whatever happened to Alan Ray? Apparently he was pissed when he found out how much Bill sold it for. It would good to get his version of things.
JimB

[theuclakid]

Peter, I suppose I would unless there is irrefutable evidence.....again what good are the grading companies then if everyone cant trust them to get the AUTHENTICATION correct? Most of us can give an accurate grade seeing a card raw in hand....it is the authentication that is key...and when a big spender buys a card at that level, then they have (should) to be trusting the authentication aspect...or they are not very wise....Bruce Perry

[theuclakid]

There is always going to be some well to do buyer out there who will buy these kind of top shelf cards, just to have, just to have bragging rights...they may not even be collectors or hobbyists.....and all the hoopla over the questionable authenticity of any of them, if they are even informed, is just speculation and hearsay to them....of course unless the authenticity can be disproven in a formal court of law.....it is just someone's opinion and nothing more to these buyers that just have to have the card....the cards are in holders.....authenticated....and stuck in a safe somewhere...Bruce Perry...oops sorry about the typo...GOODWIN Plank

[E93]

Bruce,
What an astute observation. I bet this is an accurate description of virtually all T206 Plank owners. They are probably all just dumb guys with too much money and big egos, but certainly not real collectors.
JimB

Originally Posted by theuclakid

There is always going to be some well to do buyer out there who will buy these kind of top shelf cards, just to have, just to have bragging rights...they may not even be collectors or hobbyists.....and all the hoopla over the questionable authenticity of any of them, if they are even informed, is just speculation and hearsay to them....of course unless the authenticity can be disproven in a formal court of law.....it is just someone's opinion and nothing more to these buyers that just have to have the card....the cards are in holders.....authenticated....and stuck in a safe somewhere...Bruce Perry...oops sorry about the typo...GOODWIN Plank

[g_vezina_c55]

i think if SGC grade it with a numerical grade and said it is a machine cut card, it is for me the real thing.... i trust sgc at 100%.

thx

[Ronnie73]

I always wonder what PSA and SGC guidelines are when it come's to non factory cut cards. I've seen and own W512 strip cards that grade both ways and wonder who makes the decision on the grade being numerical or just authentic. Same thing for 1952 Wheaties that I collect. All hand cut but I have many PSA 8's. Then theres the 1984 Topps Nestle Sheets. Always numerically graded. I guess if a card was only issued in sheet form, a numerical grade is allowed but W512 grades, I will never understand. As far as the Plank, I feel SGC saw no evidence of trimming and since all Piedmont backed Planks being trimmed is just a theory (one that I believe), the card received the numerical grade. I guess the bottom line is, if you had the chance to own the card at no cost to you, would the grade on the holder even matter? Numerical grade or not, it's a really nice card.

[ethicsprof]

Tongue in cheek methinks.
Yes....

all the best,
barry

[steve B]

In my limited experience with just T206s they're fairly strict. I've had 2 rejected for numerical grading,(out of 16) but without evidence of trimming. One called miscut that had a fairly rough top and bottom edges the other factory but undersize.

On the other stuff I think it depends on how the cards were issued and how they're cut, if all of the border is there It gets a number if not then A.
I view all of these as trimmed, and don't see much point in grading them unless it's a full strip or box. Maybe someday we'll see a slab big enough for an entire Nestles sheet.

Steve B

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I always wonder what PSA and SGC guidelines are when it come's to non factory cut cards. I've seen and own W512 strip cards that grade both ways and wonder who makes the decision on the grade being numerical or just authentic. Same thing for 1952 Wheaties that I collect. All hand cut but I have many PSA 8's. Then theres the 1984 Topps Nestle Sheets. Always numerically graded. I guess if a card was only issued in sheet form, a numerical grade is allowed but W512 grades, I will never understand. As far as the Plank, I feel SGC saw no evidence of trimming and since all Piedmont backed Planks being trimmed is just a theory (one that I believe), the card received the numerical grade. I guess the bottom line is, if you had the chance to own the card at no cost to you, would the grade on the holder even matter? Numerical grade or not, it's a really nice card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by theuclakid

Peter, I suppose I would unless there is irrefutable evidence.....again what good are the grading companies then if everyone cant trust them to get the AUTHENTICATION correct?

Bruce that is indeed the question but I am not sure of the answer, at least in all cases. Even if one assumes competence -- which is a big assumption -- certainly a cynic/skeptic could find financial incentives to give a card a numerical grade even if deserves an authentic. And once the card is encased, nobody can ever conclusively prove that they were wrong, as we have seen with the Wagner.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bruce that is indeed the question but I am not sure of the answer, at least in all cases. Even if one assumes competence -- which is a big assumption -- certainly a cynic/skeptic could find financial incentives to give a card a numerical grade even if deserves an authentic. And once the card is encased, nobody can ever conclusively prove that they were wrong, as we have seen with the Wagner.

And once you reach the kind of money we are talking about here a healthy dose of skepticism in all matters is warranted IMO, particularly when an outlier shows up.
One the other hand, there has to be a first of anything.

[ullmandds]

Ted...I thought I had heard that...I have no evidence whatsoever.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Ted...I thought I had heard that...I have no evidence whatsoever.

Not the same card, the markings are different, for one thing.
http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=12350

[olrac44]

Who has the PSA 8 T-206 Plank? What back does that card have?