Now I know where Coach's Corners crap goes

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The PSA/JSA examples are (for the most part) mistakes... It is the intent to deceive that differentiates a mistake from a criminal act. To me, that's the aspect which is most unacceptable.

Autographic forgeries date back to Roman times. Human nature being what it is, and greed being what it is, one will never eliminate the intent--or the attempt--to deceive. Never.

What is the point of posting, each and every month, some new forgeries available on Coach's Corner? Does anyone really think the bidders are here, and will be warned away? Have years of YouTube videos and "ooh, ooh, look how bad this one is" postings here made a difference in the flood of low-grade garbage? Not according to Chris, who states that "not too many are aware how much bad stuff is really out there. To tell you the truth, the number is incomprehensible to the average collector." If Chris is right, than one might as well try emptying the Atlantic with a teaspoon.

But, one can eliminate the system that has caused so many to "buy the certificate, rather than the autograph."

[perezfan]

Yep... Two schools of thought, and both are valid. Sure, there's probably a point of diminishing return with all of the Coach's Corner/Ace/Morales threads. I've come to view them as entertainment more than anything else. Some of the fakes are downright funny. But that doesn't make these criminal outfits any less despicable.

We all have our own personal experiences with this stuff. I guess that's what motivates us to react differently than others might. I've only had positive experiences with Spence and PSA. Over the years, a few pieces I gambled on (and hoped were good) were rejected... and probably deservedly so. That would not have been the case with those other "forensic fools".

[steve B]

True you'll never get rid of forgeries or forgers of anything.

But posting here or anywhere else isn't useless.

Since I collect baseball stuff in general I sometimes get offered stuff third hand. Usually stuff from a friends mothers friend (Yeah, sounds odd but that's how it goes)

The last two have been autographed prints. With COAs from places I've never heard of. And since the sellers are older the best I get is usally a cell phone pic of it hung on the wall.
Googling the COA issuers sometimes brings me back here. And the news is never good. Even if it doesn't bring me here the news has yet to be good.

So if someone is considering CC or any of those places and does the slightest bit of research the posts are worth it.

Steve B

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Autographic forgeries date back to Roman times. Human nature being what it is, and greed being what it is, one will never eliminate the intent--or the attempt--to deceive. Never.

What is the point of posting, each and every month, some new forgeries available on Coach's Corner? Does anyone really think the bidders are here, and will be warned away? Have years of YouTube videos and "ooh, ooh, look how bad this one is" postings here made a difference in the flood of low-grade garbage? Not according to Chris, who states that "not too many are aware how much bad stuff is really out there. To tell you the truth, the number is incomprehensible to the average collector." If Chris is right, than one might as well try emptying the Atlantic with a teaspoon.

But, one can eliminate the system that has caused so many to "buy the certificate, rather than the autograph."

[thetruthisoutthere]

I've been writing for blogs and doing videos on Coach's Corner, Chris Morales and Ted Taylor for a long, long time, and I will continue to give them all of the "free advertising" they deserve.

Until Leon or Dan tells me that I should stop posting about Coach's Corner and Chris Morales, I will continue to do what I do.