E90-1 Joe Jackson (PSA 2) REAL?

[hunterdutchess]

Seller sent me this:

We have read your request on the forum about someone buying and stiffing us. We have reported this to Ebay and if this happens there will be serious consequenses, for whom it may be. We just had this card to a certified grader in our area and it is legite. PERIOD..I would cease this type of action. We are an impeccable seller on Ebay and are rated "The Best of The Best" in our area. Thanks, Dannyz

-The irony of threatening to report me. Frosted slab + fake card + ripping someone off for $14,000 = JERK!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Chris,

Report him to the Attorney General in the State of Ohio. I already did, but maybe if they get enough complaints, they will act faster.

Here is their website:
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/

Click on the "Consumer" tab, then "File a complaint." I would love to see this guy do jail time.

[hunterdutchess]

Maybe he is a ebay gangster? Sent me this:

"I would not consider stiffing this jerk with a no sale. You WILL LOOSE your Ebay account, guaranteed......"

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by hunterdutchess

You WILL LOOSE your Ebay account, guaranteed......"

How do you LOOSE an account? When you login to Ebay your PC rattles a bit?

[KennyJ1970]

Thank you, Scott, for bringing to our attention that these cards were not authentic. I manage a store whose main business is buying gold and silver, however, in this economic climate, many people have brought other items into our store, including sports memorabilia. We don't buy baseball cards that are not graded by reputable grading companies to prevent buying fakes. I was obviously not aware enough that even these can be faked. I started investigating the possibility that these could be counterfeited after your message to us, and contacted Ebay, who looked at our listings and assured us that these cards were fine. They told us that they get many complaints about fake items all the time, and that we had nothing to worry about. We did what we thought was right at the time with the info we were given. It certainly was a learning experience, albeit an expensive one. I am now in the process of taking legal action against the seller, as we have his info from the purchase. Hopefully we can get our money back, and we will follow through with prosecution. Kenny

[vintagecpa]

Kenny, I appreciate your post. Let me bring some more information to at least the E90-1 Jackson. The E90-1 Jackson that is the reprint has the same PSA certification number as a PSA 2 E90-1 Jackson that sold in the March 2009 Mile High Auction (see link). I would assume that there couldn't have been too many owners between the time it sold in the Mile High Auction in 2009 and from when you took possession of the card. I just figured it might be useful information. (The smaller picture is from the Mile High Auction and the good Jackson. The larger picture is from the Ebay auction with the reprint.)

http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDet...px?lotid=12178

[KennyJ1970]

Thanks, Mike. Quite a difference in those two, I'd say. I guess i was a real fool on this one. I'm used to buying vintage coins, graded and ungraded, and I know what to look for in those, but I really dropped the ball on these.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by KennyJ1970

Thank you, Scott, for bringing to our attention that these cards were not authentic....

My pleasure. I hope this works out for you.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Kenny,

I also spoke with you via email and you seem very friendly and sincere. However, after that, someone named Danny Z. started emailing me stating that I didn't know what the heck I was talking about, asking me what were my credentials, blah, blah, blah. He had a very crappy attitutude. I don't know if he is an employee of yours, a business partner or whatever, but he was a real JERK!

Like other members here, I was only trying to get this this listing removed so nobody got taken advantage of. Anyway, he wouldn't shut up about it and I finally said, "If you think I am wrong, then why did you remove the listing? If you think I am wrong, then GROW A SET OF BALLS and re-list the card! His repsonse was, "The card will be re-listed." Obviously the card wasn't relisted.

Anyway, after me and several others pointed out the reasons that the card was fake and Mike posted photos of the real card, I'm just curious what Danny has to say now?