E90-1 Joe Jackson (PSA 2) REAL?

[vintagecpa]

Hey Kenny, I assume all these cards came from the same seller, but the 1952 Topps Roy Campanella PSA 8 that you sold a few days ago for $3,550 looks suspicious also.

Here is a link to your card you sold on EBay on 11/7/11

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-ROY-CAM...4#ht_518wt_689

Here is a link to the same card being sold at the August, 2008 Goodwin Auction (at least same certification number)

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=5552

From my semi-untrained eye, it doesn't appear to be the same card. I would like a board member with more experience with 1952 Topps and PSA slabs to give a better opinion.

Finally, the same card and certification number was listed for sale on Craigs List in Louisville on November 1.

http://louisville.craigslist.org/clt/2680098176.html

I wish I had better news. Hopefully, this will all be helpful info when you file your police report.

Mike

[Runscott]

Ugghh.. Mike, once again, not only are the cards definitely different, but the fonts and letter locations are way off on the PSA label.

Another fraudulent card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Hey Kenny, I assume all these cards came from the same seller, but the 1952 Topps Roy Campanella PSA 8 that you sold a few days ago for $3,550 looks suspicious also.

Here is a link to your card you sold on EBay on 11/7/11

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-ROY-CAM...4#ht_518wt_689

Here is a link to the same card being sold at the August, 2008 Goodwin Auction (at least same certification number)

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=5552

From my semi-untrained eye, it doesn't appear to be the same card. I would like a board member with more experience with 1952 Topps and PSA slabs to give a better opinion.

Finally, the same card and certification number was listed for sale on Craigs List in Louisville on November 1.

http://louisville.craigslist.org/clt/2680098176.html

I wish I had better news. Hopefully, this will all be helpful info when you file your police report.

Mike

Mike,

Good catch. They are definitely NOT the same card although they share the same serial number.

Card from Goodwin Auction:


Card from Kenny:


The real one (Goodwin) has a noticable tilt.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Mike,

Good catch. They are definitely NOT the same card although they share the same serial number.

Card from Goodwin Auction:


Card from Kenny:


The real one (Goodwin) has a noticable tilt.

Its not even close! Is it that easy to tamper with PSA holders?

[Jacklitsch]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

Its not even close! Is it that easy to tamper with PSA holders?

Fake flip and holder. Look at the positioning of the "S" in the word TOPPS over the second "A" in Campanella. They don't line up.

Scammer created a new flip using a correct cert number in case anyone were to check.

EDIT: Looks like Walkscott beat me to this analysis.

[vintagecpa]

Jim, it isn't the same holder. If you look at the "NM-M 8" on both slabs, the spacing is different. The barcode looks off also. I now suspect the original Joe Jackson and Campanella card still exist in the original slab as opposed to someone cracking the case and replacing the card. Purely speculation on my part.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Jim, it isn't the same holder. If you look at the "NM-M 8" on both slabs, the spacing is different. The barcode looks off also. I now suspect the original Joe Jackson and Campanella card still exist in the original slab as opposed to someone cracking the case and replacing the card. Purely speculation on my part.

You may be right but where do these scammers get the PSA Holders? Wow, this is crazy! Do you think a major auction house like Goodwin would ever get fooled like this?

[CW]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

You may be right but where do these scammers get the PSA Holders? Wow, this is crazy! Do you think a major auction house like Goodwin would ever get fooled like this?

Judging from the photos of these illegitimate cards, all the edges appear to be frosted. The scammers are simply prying apart legit slabs, reprinting fake flips, inserting reprint cards and resealing the slabs with glue (or some other method). A major auction house would spot the frosted edges.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

You may be right but where do these scammers get the PSA Holders? Wow, this is crazy! Do you think a major auction house like Goodwin would ever get fooled like this?

Jim, they just crack a cheap card out of a holder. There was a scam a while back where some forgers had gotten hold of new slabs and blank labels, but the goal there was to pass something off and have it stay passed off as real. The guys creating cards like this Jackson are complete idiots and always get caught eventually. It's too much money, too crappy of a product and too wide of a trail.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Jim, they just crack a cheap card out of a holder. There was a scam a while back where some forgers had gotten hold of new slabs and blank labels, but the goal there was to pass something off and have it stay passed off as real. The guys creating cards like this Jackson are complete idiots and always get caught eventually. It's too much money, too crappy of a product and too wide of a trail.

What a disgrace!!! There has to be something the grading companies can do to prevent this with their holders.