Ruth Card

[iggyman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The only thing that looked totally 'right' was the card thickness and the typical 'bleed through' that can't be forged.

I've seen known Goudey reprints (including Ruth) with the "bleed through" on the back side. Thus, judging a Goudey authentic, because it has a wet sheet transfer is a dangerous game. The "bleed through" can and has been forged.

Lovely Day...

[Bridwell]

I think they have an interesting strategy to buy graded cards with nice eye appeal, crack them out, and then resell as an authentic raw card. There was a raw T206 from the same seller in another post. Seems like a legit strategy.

Personally, I wouldn't pay that much for an ungraded card so not sure they can make a profit on expensive cards like this one. Nevertheless, some people would rather have a nice raw card with good eye appeal.

[Anthony S.]

This is what the card looked like before it was cracked out and photographed by a passing weather satellite. Same card.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

This is what the card looked like before it was cracked out and photographed by a passing weather satellite. Same card.

Anthony, that is downright scary. Looks a heckuva lot different up close

From his original description: "beautiful original sheen, "flawless" factory finish, and has a light horizontal crease."

Thank you - I won't be bidding on anything this guy sells.

[iggyman]

Great catch Anthony (both on the Ruth and the Cobb)! Thought it was a home run, but you snagged it at the wall! Score one for the good guys. I don't think I've ever won anything from Great Lakes Shell Game Auction House, but I sure would be leary of bidding on anything in the future (disclaimer: unless, I really really needed it).

On another tangent........Scott, perhaps I need to be enlighten, but Goudeys don't have "bleed through" they have "wet sheet transfers". Have I been drinking kool-aid all these years??? Looks like we need a poll.

Lovely Day...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Great catch Anthony (both on the Ruth and the Cobb)! Thought it was a home run, but you snagged it at the wall! Score one for the good guys. I don't think I've ever won anything from Great Lakes Shell Game Auction House, but I sure would be leary of bidding on anything in the future (disclaimer: unless, I really really needed it).

On another tangent........Scott, perhaps I need to be enlighten, but Goudeys don't have "bleed through" they have "wet sheet transfers". Have I been drinking kool-aid all these years??? Looks like we need a poll.

Lovely Day...

Iggy, I might be wrong on this one. I will readily admit that my memory sucks even more as I age. But I know what wet sheet transfer is (I even wrote an article that talks about it: http://runscott.homestead.com/Articles.html)

I had a pretty nice '34 Goudey collection, but I haven't handled these cards in five years or so, and own none currently, so I'll rely on the opinions of others - you sound like you collect them, so I'll take your word for it.

...Still, I'm going to buy a common off ebay that appears to have the bleed through, just to enlighten myself again. I have a '33 Gehrig that should arrive any day now, but the back looked pretty clean.

[Runscott]

Here's a very good example from the current SCP auction. If you look at the image of the front, the ink lines up exactly, as it does in all Goudeys (at least that's the way I remember it). If it were wet sheet, the back would not always be lined up exactly with the front.

Also, SCP agrees with you. From their lot description: Back super clean also but there is a ghost of the front of the card, the result of sheets being stacked at the plant before the colors had completely dried.

Show me I'm wrong - I have no issue with learning something new.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by iggyman

I've seen known Goudey reprints (including Ruth) with the "bleed through" on the back side. Thus, judging a Goudey authentic, because it has a wet sheet transfer is a dangerous game. The "bleed through" can and has been forged.

Lovely Day...

Not the same thing as a wet sheet transfer. But you have a point regarding true forgeries. I've never seen reprints where they attempted to add bleed through, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's being done.

If I remember correctly, there was a set of Goudey reprints created in the early '60s that when 'aged' looks pretty convincing. The great Goudey forger of the early 2000's, Feldman, offered to send me a free one, just to prove to me that he wasn't actually forging cards. I should have taken him up on it, but didn't want to encourage him.