Ruth Card

Anthony S. · #1 11-08-2011, 07:35 PM

This is what the card looked like before it was cracked out and photographed by a passing weather satellite. Same card.

Runscott · #2 11-08-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony S.

This is what the card looked like before it was cracked out and photographed by a passing weather satellite. Same card.

Anthony, that is downright scary. Looks a heckuva lot different up close

From his original description: "beautiful original sheen, "flawless" factory finish, and has a light horizontal crease."

Thank you - I won't be bidding on anything this guy sells.

iggyman · #3 11-08-2011, 08:49 PM

Great catch Anthony (both on the Ruth and the Cobb)! Thought it was a home run, but you snagged it at the wall! Score one for the good guys. I don't think I've ever won anything from Great Lakes Shell Game Auction House, but I sure would be leary of bidding on anything in the future (disclaimer: unless, I really really needed it).

On another tangent........Scott, perhaps I need to be enlighten, but Goudeys don't have "bleed through" they have "wet sheet transfers". Have I been drinking kool-aid all these years??? Looks like we need a poll.

Lovely Day...

Runscott · #4 11-08-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by iggyman

Great catch Anthony (both on the Ruth and the Cobb)! Thought it was a home run, but you snagged it at the wall! Score one for the good guys. I don't think I've ever won anything from Great Lakes Shell Game Auction House, but I sure would be leary of bidding on anything in the future (disclaimer: unless, I really really needed it).

On another tangent........Scott, perhaps I need to be enlighten, but Goudeys don't have "bleed through" they have "wet sheet transfers". Have I been drinking kool-aid all these years??? Looks like we need a poll.

Lovely Day...

Iggy, I might be wrong on this one. I will readily admit that my memory sucks even more as I age. But I know what wet sheet transfer is (I even wrote an article that talks about it: http://runscott.homestead.com/Articles.html)

I had a pretty nice '34 Goudey collection, but I haven't handled these cards in five years or so, and own none currently, so I'll rely on the opinions of others - you sound like you collect them, so I'll take your word for it.

...Still, I'm going to buy a common off ebay that appears to have the bleed through, just to enlighten myself again. I have a '33 Gehrig that should arrive any day now, but the back looked pretty clean.

Runscott · #5 11-09-2011, 12:56 PM

Here's a very good example from the current SCP auction. If you look at the image of the front, the ink lines up exactly, as it does in all Goudeys (at least that's the way I remember it). If it were wet sheet, the back would not always be lined up exactly with the front.

Also, SCP agrees with you. From their lot description: Back super clean also but there is a ghost of the front of the card, the result of sheets being stacked at the plant before the colors had completely dried.

Show me I'm wrong - I have no issue with learning something new.

fkw · #6 11-09-2011, 02:17 PM

Besides the point that the card in the topic is obviously authentic...

common sense would tell you that its 100% impossible for a card as thick as a R319 or R320 to have so called "Bleed Through"

Even if the card was made out of a single layer of tissue or typing paper it would be heavily distorted if the ink bleed through, plus it would have to be "Magic Ink" to make it through the many thin layers of paper that make up the thick stock of these Goudey cards and still be sharp and easily readable.

All of these are "Wet Ink Transfers" made when the printers stacked these sheets while printing them and with some weight from the stack the slightly tacky ink from the front transfers to the back (or front sometimes too).

Runscott · #7 11-09-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fkw

Besides the point that the card in the topic is obviously authentic...

common sense would tell you that its 100% impossible for a card as thick as a R319 or R320 to have so called "Bleed Through"

Even if the card was made out of a single layer of tissue or typing paper it would be heavily distorted if the ink bleed through, plus it would have to be "Magic Ink" to make it through the many thin layers of paper that make up the thick stock of these Goudey cards and still be sharp and easily readable.

All of these are "Wet Ink Transfers" made when the printers stacked these sheets while printing them and with some weight from the stack the slightly tacky ink from the front transfers to the back (or front sometimes too).

yes, common sense would tell us a lot of things about cards that aren't necessarily true (such as whether a postcard was printed in the 1930's or the 1970's, based on obvious differences in printing techniques for the two periods).

I have never understood the Goudeys and the bleed through thing, but as you say, it does not make sense that it is actually bleed through. The problem with it being wet ink is, as I mentioned before, and no one has explained other than to simply say I'm wrong, is (and I'm repeating myself here) that the ink on the back is always lined up perfectly with the ink on the front. This is not true of any other issue that I've seen.

Frank, please explain this. Seriously, I agree with you - I just don't get it from a printing perspective. If they can always line up the sheets so perfectly after printing, how come registration is commonly off, as is centering? Have we ever seen a 'bleed through' (or wet sheet) example where the ink on the back is NOT lined up?

Also, I'm sure that whoever has the above card in hand (the example I posted), would simply have to loupe it to tell immediately whether or not the 'bleed through' is over or under the green lettering.

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