Dave & Adam's Card World ...

[npa589]

I turned down a counteroffer that was higher than the price on their store. How silly of me, I should have paid more for the same card.

Do you know the repercussions of beginning to build a bad reputation with many of the buyers who are making the quick purchases of these cards, e.g. users on NET54?

They do have the right to sell to whomever, but not whenever. Is a card yours once you purchase it, or when you receive it? If it's the latter, then why would anyone ever have to send someone a card that they purchased?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by npa589

I turned down a counteroffer that was higher than the price on their store. How silly of me, I should have paid more for the same card.

Do you know the repercussions of beginning to build a bad reputation with many of the buyers who are making the quick purchases of these cards, e.g. users on NET54?

They do have the right to sell to whomever, but not whenever. Is a card yours once you purchase it, or when you receive it? If it's the latter, then why would anyone ever have to send someone a card that they purchased?

So the game becomes "sell me the card or I'll trash your name on NET 54"?




What if one of the Ebay buyers is also a NET 54 member?

For not taking it off Ebay quick enough and selling to you instead, they now get a NET54 thread in their honor, negatives, trashed DSR scores..........and the same headaches.


For the record I don't have anything to do with Dave & Adams Card World and have never bought from them as far as I can remember.

I just find this whole thing heavy-handed and kind of odd.

It seems their only crime here is having a card that two people wanted at approximately the same time, and having to make a decision which purchase to follow through on that would hurt their business the least.

I remember the good old days when you could just say "Oh, I'm sorry, it's sold", and people would go on with their lives.

[npa589]

Man Dave, I don't think you're getting it.

The "Oh, I'm sorry, it's sold" doesn't work because it wasn't sold when i bought it. It was technically sold after I bought it. That "Oh, I'm sorry, it's sold" statement should have went to the buyer that bought it after me.

I'm not trashing the name, nor the company. I think that people who do purchase from them, and people who wish to purchase from them in the future would like to have this information in their pocket.

Read the very first statement I posted. I stated that I would gladly delete everything I wrote if the situation was rectified correctly. My definition of "correct" would be fulfilled by many different scenarios.


...."sell me the card or I'll trash your name on NET 54"?


------They did sell me the card! C'mon Dave! I'm not battling you here, but I think you're missing the point!


If the website "www.dacardworld.com" for the company "Dave & Adam's Card World" does not take precedence over the connection of the website "www.ebay.com" to the company of "Dave & Adam's Card World" - then I guess I need to start buying things at Kohls when I want to buy something at Walmart.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by npa589

The "Oh, I'm sorry, it's sold" doesn't work because it wasn't sold when i bought it. It was technically sold after I bought it. That "Oh, I'm sorry, it's sold" statement should have went to the buyer that bought it after me.

Technically you "ordered" the card; once it was determined that it was no longer "in stock" your funds were returned and your "order" was cancelled.

purchase: Acquire (something) by paying for it;
order: Request (something) to be made, supplied, or served

[npa589]

Payment had been sent through Paypal, I got an order confirmation. The invoice I got was to pay for them, and the order confirmation was sent once the payment went through. Since eBay purchases go through PayPal as well, I purchased the card before the other buyer did.

Also, I assume "in stock" would probably more apply to their store website than to ebay's website.

Originally Posted by t206hound

Technically you "ordered" the card; once it was determined that it was no longer "in stock" your funds were returned and your "order" was cancelled.

purchase: Acquire (something) by paying for it;
order: Request (something) to be made, supplied, or served

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by npa589

Payment had been sent through Paypal, I got an order confirmation. The invoice I got was to pay for them, and the order confirmation was sent once the payment went through. Since eBay purchases go through PayPal as well, I purchased the card before the other buyer did.

Also, I assume "in stock" would probably more apply to their store website than to ebay's website.

Purchase implies "acquisition" and since you didn't acquire (gain possession of) the card, you didn't purchase it. And your response even states that you received an "order confirmation," not a "purchase confirmation." Semantics, I know, but important nonetheless.

[npa589]

Subjective semantics at that...

Maybe we should start paying after we've received the card?

As far as I'm concerned, when I pay someone for a card - I'm the new owner. The next step is that they ship it to the new owner.


I'm kind of tired of arguing now, like Forrest Gump when he just stops running.

You make a good point t206hound, but like I said - they are subjective semantics, not universally defined. Again - even the fact that I feel that they are subjective is subjective.

Originally Posted by t206hound

Purchase implies "acquisition" and since you didn't acquire (gain possession of) the card, you didn't purchase it. And your response even states that you received an "order confirmation," not a "purchase confirmation." Semantics, I know, but important nonetheless.

[wake.up.the.echoes]

Doesn't Bob_Snyder belong to this board? I am not sure if he has seen/posted in this thread, but he might be one to ask about this situation.

[npa589]

I got an e-mail from Bob, nice guy. I also talked with Adam who was great to communicate with as well.

I'm just having fun arguing with people now. No hard feelings nor am I very upset, I just enjoy a good argument!

Originally Posted by wake.up.the.echoes

Doesn't Bob_Snyder belong to this board? I am not sure if he has seen/posted in this thread, but he might be one to ask about this situation.

[wake.up.the.echoes]

Adam is a heck of a guy. Adam (along with Dave) have built a great business from the ground up. Nothing but positive things to say about them. I don't know Bob, but I am glad you guys have spoken. With LCS (local card shops) drying up, I didn't want to see one of the few remaining get completely trashed without hearing both sides. Glad you guys worked it out.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by t206hound

Technically you "ordered" the card; once it was determined that it was no longer "in stock" your funds were returned and your "order" was cancelled.

purchase: Acquire (something) by paying for it;
order: Request (something) to be made, supplied, or served

Umm, no, technically he purchased the cards. They sent an invoice and according to his statment he paid within 1 minute. When he sent payment, that is a purchase whether they are in his possession or not. If you go down to a furniture store and buy a new dining room set and they give you a back order slip telling you it will be there in 2-3 weeks, have you still not purchased the furniture whether you have taken delivery of it or not? How you could defend behavior like this is unbelievable.

And another thing, when Nate paid for the cards they were "in stock." He paid from the invoice they sent him. However, instead of removing them from stock to fill Nate's "order," the seller decided to sell them to the second buyer for more money. A deal is a deal, and to back out of the deal for a better offer shows the content of their character. I don't see how anybody can defend DACW's actions.

[npa589]

If one of the buyers was a NET54 member, I couldn't care less. Congrats to them for buying a card at a good price. Whoever it was accepted a BIN price of 56$ for one of them and I think 51$ for the other. The cards were 50$ and 45$ on the website. I was sent the same counteroffers, and almost definitely saw the offer before the other buyer did. When I saw the counteroffer, since I knew what the prices already were on the site - I went to the site and bought the cards.

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What if one of the Ebay buyers is also a NET 54 member?