Anonymity vs Privacy on the Net54baseball

[Ease]

Imo everyone should have their first and last name under their login name or in their sig. Period. That ends all the oversight.

[Jacklitsch]

Originally Posted by Ease

Imo everyone should have their first and last name under their login name or in their sig. Period. That ends all the oversight.

Changed my mind. If you don't know me by now I don't want you to.

[Leon]

Thanks for your thought Eric....That would be my first choice but I know it's not good for a lot of people and for good reason.

****In this thread you can remain private and argue with me. Since we are debating it I want everyone to have a chance to say something. Please don't take that as carte blanch..... If you get out of hand, and unprofessional I will revoke this consideration and make your name known. Just be cool and you can argue . All in the spirit of debate.

[teetwoohsix]

I understand both sides of this.....when I first joined, I had my full name up for months-no harm done. Then, I just decided I wanted to be "a little" more anonymous, so just used my last initial for my last name.

Anyone I've bought cards from can vouch for the fact I give all my info to them- home adress, full name, and even add my phone # in there too.

If anyone for any reason would like my last name, you can P.M. me and I will give it to you. Then, at least, I know who it is that is wanting to know my last name

I like the option to be anonymous........because anyone on the web can see your full name, board member or not- that is my main issue with it.

Sincerely, Clayton

[asphaltman]

I don't like being required to have first and last name on every post. Heck if we have to have that then why do we have a members page with emails, ebay handles, websites, etc?

To me...if you've been here for years and are known...then you're known by the general masses...and that should be good enough.


If anything, I wish the member page would be updated...as so many new people here are posting that aren't on it, as well as quite a few on it that don't even come here anymore.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by asphaltman

If anything, I wish the member page would be updated...as so many new people here are posting that aren't on it, as well as quite a few on it that don't even come here anymore.

Dave - the 'Community' link at the top has a full current membership listing. Of course, it is dependent on the member supplying their contact info.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by Matt

Dave - the 'Community' link at the top has a full current membership listing. Of course, it is dependent on the member supplying their contact info.

I was talking more about this page Matt...which I guess was just plain replaced by the other one you pointed out.


http://www.net54baseball.com/forum/c...tagelinks.html

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by asphaltman

I don't like being required to have first and last name on every post. Heck if we have to have that then why do we have a members page with emails, ebay handles, websites, etc?

To me...if you've been here for years and are known...then you're known by the general masses...and that should be good enough.


If anything, I wish the member page would be updated...as so many new people here are posting that aren't on it, as well as quite a few on it that don't even come here anymore.

Agree with Dave, most everyone knows everybody. I see no real need....I think it could create more potential issues vs. correct or avoid potential issues.

Just my two cents.

John

Actually Leon you of all people should understand the no real need for last names. All it takes is someone with a silly axe to grind and a website to make your full name synonymous with whatever tripe they would like to spread. And for what or over what a disagreement of opinion or point of view on a baseball card board. You have our numbers and details if someone pulls something really illegal I think you can hand that over to the right people...

[Jaybird]

Member page makes sense. If the names are there, then anyone can check and find out the name (if you're a member, I assume). Then we don't have to police the internal threads.

I think it is the rare few that are stirring things up just to stir them up. If the member page has everyone's name and we are able to PM and email each other directly, that should provide the necessary accountability.

I can see how it would be a drag for a moderator to enforce the rule everyday when these discussions and disagreements are part of normal discourse.

Question is: how hard is it to update the member list?

[T206Collector]

If you want to treat it like a clubhouse, that's your prerogative -- just keep in mind that this forum is as open to the public as a fishbowl.

It is not at all surprising that the clubhouse members want to know who they're conversing with by full name. You've all exposed yourselves as real humans, with real emotions and feelings. I'm just a Matty Dark Cap Avatar and a real passion for T206 cards. If the price for doing that here is joining your clubhouse, well then I guess I'll just move on.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Agree with Dave, most everyone knows everybody. I see no real need....I think it could create more potential issues vs. correct or avoid potential issues.

Just my two cents.

John

Actually Leon you of all people should understand the no real need for last names. All it takes is someone with a silly axe to grind and a website to make your full name synonymous with whatever tripe they would like to spread. And for what or over what a disagreement of opinion or point of view on a baseball card board. You have our numbers and details if someone pulls something really illegal I think you can hand that over to the right people...

That axe-grinder is now in jail as far as I know...or at least in a crapload of trouble that's probably going to put him there.

[chaddurbin]

same sentiment as "b.i.j.o.e.m".

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

That axe-grinder is now in jail as far as I know...or at least in a crapload of trouble that's probably going to put him there.

I have heard....rumors of that…

That is one of the reasons I was always just Wonka until recently Leon wanted my last name added which most everyone knew already...

In the end I will always stand beside what I type here. But I ended up on the axe grinders site because somebody forwarded my name and business email with my company info. Next thing you know my company is popping up on Google linked to a web rant page filled with anti-Semitic babble….luckily I work in the entertainment business where there are very few Jews so no big deal.

That’s why for the most part happy to be Wonka or John.

Dan & Leon so what is the deal now? Not that it matters now but for the new guys full name or no…give me the reader’s digest on this.

John

[Rich Klein]

But in our society, one of the great strengths has always been that you have a right to know who your accusers are and have them known to you.

If I say something about a Doug Allen for example, at least I put my name out there -- as does Jeffrey Lichtman who is actually closer to a public figure than I'll ever be,

Doug then has the right to know who it was that said something about him, and I don't have any problems with that.

If you are going to post on a subject that is controversial, then anyone does have the right to know who you are.

If you wish only to post on subjects such as,, observations on 1967 Topps hi #'s, then go ahead and don't worry about if anyone knows who you are.

I think this gives everyone a chance to face their adverseries and I'm sorry but I'm all in favor of giving names. Having the right to know who it is saying something --- is a basic American right.

Regards
Rich

[drc]

I agree with you Rich. There's a difference between threat/auction fraud/theft threads and threads about T206s backs/figural trophies. The latter probably make up 98 percent of the threads. If someone wishes to stay anonymous, stay out of the other former 2 percent. I try my best to.

As far as I've seen, someone's identity is only an issue when the person does stuff like make threats or accusations of stealing. If these inflamatory subjects never came up, I doubt this issue would have ever come up.

[Kawika]

If it weren't for the all-trumping point made by Dstudeba, whoever the hell that is , I would be 100% in favor of forbidding anonymnity on the board. Too many jokers coming over the walls.

David McDonald
(not my real name)

[T206Collector]

Uh... If I was naive enough to use my real name on here, well then OF COURSE I would want everyone else to do the same.

Duh.

If you start listening to the folks that like to use their real names, you won't get anything near a useful debate on the subject.

Putting privacy aside, which is a major consideration, the best reason to not use a real name is that it doesn't freaking matter what name anyone uses on an Internet forum. As long as people stay consistent with their usage then there shouldn't be any confusion. At the same time, if someone is being an arsehole, then ban them quickly.

Finally, while many of the regular posters like to use their names for some reason, to the extent your bag is social networking, then please keep in mind that many of us, myself included, are not interested in meeting folks on here in real life. Barry Sloate could call himself Jonny Bloat, for all i care -- he's still the same Internet person to me.

If you want to get to know each other in real life, sign up for Match.com. Otherwise, keep sharing images of your awesome cards, ask questions about your cards, answer questions about my cards, buy/sell/trade your cards. Everything else is none of my business and i don't care to know who you are, or for you to know who i am...

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Uh... If I was naive enough to use my real name on here, well then OF COURSE I would want everyone else to do the same.

Duh.

If you start listening to the folks that like to use their real names, you won't get anything near a useful debate on the subject.

Putting privacy aside, which is a major consideration, the best reason to not use a real name is that it doesn't freaking matter what name anyone uses on an Internet forum. As long as people stay consistent with their usage then there shouldn't be any confusion. At the same time, if someone is being an arsehole, then ban them quickly.

Finally, while many of the regular posters like to use their names for some reason, to the extent your bag is social networking, then please keep in mind that many of us, myself included, are not interested in meeting folks on here in real life. Barry Sloate could call himself Jonny Bloat, for all i care -- he's still the same Internet person to me.

If you want to get to know each other in real life, sign up for Match.com. Otherwise, keep sharing images of your awesome cards, ask questions about your cards, answer questions about my cards, buy/sell/trade your cards. Everything else is none of my business and i don't care to know who you are, or for you to know who i am...

It isn't just an "internet forum" to some of us, more like a clubhouse where we can meet up with real flesh-and-blood friends, people we have spoken with, shaken hands with, welcomed to our homes. If you want to isolate yourself from all that it's your choice, but don't characterize us as needy nerds hanging at the Net54 Lonely Hearts Club. You're way off the mark.

Just for you, Tee.

[teetwoohsix]

LOL Thanks David, I needed a laugh

Clayton

[tbob]

[QUOTE=Kawika;883768]It isn't just an "internet forum" to some of us, more like a clubhouse where we can meet up with real flesh-and-blood friends, people we have spoken with, shaken hands with, welcomed to our homes. If you want to isolate yourself from all that it's your choice, but don't characterize us as needy nerds hanging at the Net54 Lonely Hearts Club. You're way off the mark.

Well said David.

[Ease]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

At the same time, if someone is being an arsehole, then ban them quickly.

Who determines who is being an @sshole? You? Me? Leon? Dan? Is Leon or Dan an @sshole for banning someone he thought was an @sshole? Should we ban Leon or Dan for being an @sshole to an @sshole?

See the problem with that?

[E93]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Best,
The collector formerly known as JimB

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Ease

Who determines who is being an @sshole? You? Me? Leon? Dan? Is Leon or Dan an @sshole for banning someone he thought was an @sshole? Should we ban Leon or Dan for being an @sshole to an @sshole?

See the problem with that?

Seriously? If Leon decided to ban 10 people a day just for fun, that would be totally okay with me. It's his ball. If he wants to take it away from people, that's his choice, and I have the utmost confidence in him.

[dstudeba]

My home was broken into last year and cards were stolen. That is one of the reasons I will not put my first and last name in my posts. If that is a requisite of posting I won't post. No big deal as my life will go on and the board will go on.

[drc]

My opinion is, if the moderator has information, and the poster isn't causing trouble, I have no issue with someone not posting his name. No harm, no foul, as they say. I understand and appreciate why people don't want to post their name on a public chatboard.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by Ease

Imo everyone should have their first and last name under their login name or in their sig. Period. That ends all the oversight.

Agreed. My vote is with Eric & Steve.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by Ease

Imo everyone should have their first and last name under their login name or in their sig. Period. That ends all the oversight.

agreed

[smtjoy]

Originally Posted by Ease

Imo everyone should have their first and last name under their login name or in their sig. Period. That ends all the oversight.

I already have my name up there so I am in this camp already. I do think we would have a lot less issues if that were the case but would lose some good posters too. Granted the systems is broke now so we are going to lose out one way or the other to fix things.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by smtjoy

I already have my name up there so I am in this camp already. I do think we would have a lot less issue if that were the case but would lose some good posters too. Granted the systems is broke now so we are going to lose out one way or the other to fix things.

Exactly my take too but...... there are good reasons to let folks stay private...

That is why my proposal right above might work? We might lose the fewest folks.

To answer a previous question, there is no and will be no board directory where everyones name is (besides the, moderators-only, very private registration database). The links section is there and if folks send me their info it gets put up there. IF they don't then it's not.

[Tsaiko]

or any kind of discussion with a board member, and they want to know who you are, then they can email me and I can tell them your name??

Any?? Jeez, that's a bit much. Wouldn't it just be easier for a board member to tell me they refuse to have a discussion with me because they don't know my name? Then I can have a choice. Besides, I can already feel some board members ignoring me and I know why, which is fine by me, I can respect that/them.

Also, you're referring to discussions on the board, right? Not PM's or other?

Look, I'm fine with being a spectator here, really, so don't put any weight on my opinion, but I'm the type of person that has multiple daily discussions with strangers and rarely introduce myself. I'm that person who turns around and starts talking to you in line at the grocery store or in the Doctor's office waiting room for no apparent reason. I feel that life is just too short to just wait, when there are other humans doing the same thing. Interact!
But, before you come into my house, I must know who you are. A lot of members feel this is their house, I'm sure, so there's the two sides of the coin as I see it. One's casual and one's personal.

Of course if I'm going to make a statement of negative fact about someone in the hobby, you can be sure that I will start that post with, "my name is".