Beware Carterscards2006

[Ease]

(Donning flame-retardant suit...) IMO, advanced collectors know high$ GAI is risky. OP is obviously an advanced collector and knows this, took a chance, and got burned. Have the minerals to take it like a man.

[glchen]

If the card has been cracked out of the slabbed, no return should be allowed. If the card has not been cracked out, the seller should in, good faith, accept the return on the card. Typical ebay sellers typically do not accept returns on graded cards for PSA, SGC, GAI, or Beckett. I don't think this seller is out of bounds here. I purchased a GAI card from Heritage Auctions last year. I tried to cross the card to both PSA and SGC at 1/2 grade lower than the card. The card did not cross. That's life, I took a gamble and have to live with the consequences. Saying that, I really don't think the card has been cracked out of the slab. SGC or PSA would not crack the card out of the slab unless it met the crossover grade. If they crack out the card, that means it met the minimum grade. That's the whole point of crossovers, so that submitters won't get burned if the card does not meeting minimum grade. The TPG would only crack the card if the submitter put Authentic as the crossover grade. Therefore, I think the card is still in the slab, and if Todd discusses with carterscards, they should take the card back. I've purchased cards from carterscards before, and have never had a problem with them. I've asked questions for them, and they've been fairly prompt in coming back with answers. I think they're an honest seller for the most part, as compared to the other ebay sellers out there. In a way, I think they're just a "mass clearinghouse." I saw that they once listed Babe Ruth cards that were obvious reprints. It was something like Reach and Spalding Ruths or something (and not the Spalding Champions). These are the cards that dishonest sellers often list. I sent them a question and asked why'd they'd risk their reputation by listing these kinds of cards when their other stock were fairly high quality. The seller responded to me quickly and what he said was:

"I got these cards in a large deal. To be honest, I know very little about them. I know they are not worth big money but I honestly did not know what to do with them. I guess the best way to answer your question is you kind of get what you get with these things. I know there are collectors so that is the ONLY reason I listed them. Thanks so much for the question and have a great day!!!"

Not really the best answer, but that's how some sellers are.

In regards to the shilling, it definitely does look very suspicious. Shilling is huge problem on ebay and probably even other auctions. I'm not going to say that instance pointed out is not shilling, but some buyers have favorite sellers. They look at those sellers more often, and then bid on them more often which is why they have skewed percentages. Saying that, that case pointed out looks very, very bad.

[mantleman]

I don't believe the seller should have to accept the return. Exit ethics, enter common sense. He did not grade the card, GAI did, so his beef should be with GAI. The buyer:

#1 knew the card was mislabelled

#2 had suspicions of trimming

#3 was weary of "Very early GAI submission"

If he had this many red flags he should have never bought it in the first place.

I am not a powerbuyer, so dropping a grand on a card is a huge deal for me, those would have turned me off right away.

I agree with Eric Schaeffer on this one. Man up!

Andy

[pwilk17]

Buyer knew he was buying a GAI slabbed card - end of story. If buyer paid $1000 for a Pro slabbed card, should he be entitled to a refund if PSA says it is trimmed? If buyer buys an SGC slabbed card and then Pro says it is trimmed, should he get a refund? Not a chance

[richieb315]

If card came back a grade or 2 higher as he thought would he return it to the seller. Let the seller know Gai graded it wrong. I dont think so. Took a chance and it didnt work out. Move on.