Question for RAW card sellers?

[shaunsteig]

personally, I consider any raw card that I purchase on ebay at risk for not grading. generally I do hope it's authentic and not a reprint, but I make no assumptions that it hasn't been trimmed or otherwise altered. and the nicer the card's appearance, or the more high-profile the player, the more skeptical I am. the only exception that I make -- ie to rely that the card is authentic -- is for high-volume, well-reputed sellers who explicitly state in the description that they're guaranteeing it to grade (and even then, their wording sometimes doesn't guarantee against an 'A'). so unless I see the seller state a guarantee explicitly against trimming (or other alteration), then I don't assume it myself.

which is a long-about way of saying: buyer beware for raw cards on EBay. Thus, as a seller, if you didn't put any guarantees in your description, then you shouldn't have to accept any return.

(the limiting factor would be if you were worried that the buyer would give you a negative feedback, in which case it may be worth taking back the card in order to avoid that possibility. judgment call then on your part.)

hope that helps.

[HRBAKER]

I guess if you want to be known for selling trimmed cards and not saying so that would be a good program.

[rdixon1208]

That's a tough one. I hope some of the guys that only deal with raw cards chime in. I agree with a previous poster....when I buy a raw card online I always go into the deal knowing that there's a chance that the card may have been doctored in some way. I usually buy low grade cards so it's not as much of an issue.....I don't expect someone to trim a common T206 with a couple of creases, and if they do, I don't really care. But for me it's hard to imagine that anyone of us can detect every alteration. That being said, what happened here could happen to anyone. It's almost like a game of hot potato.

[Bridwell]

Buyers have all the power on ebay. If you don't make him happy with a refund or return, he will hit you with negative feedback. A few negatives and your reputation will suffer with other buyers. It's tough to be a seller on ebay. Tough to have to give in if somebody is unhappy. To make matters worse, somebody else could submit that same card for grading and it might get a number grade next time! Fortunately, this type of thing doesn't happen too often. If it were me, I'd give a full refund and be done with it.

[Leon]

When I sell a card it is with the assumption, and guarantee, that it will grade numerically, unless otherwise stated in my description. That should really go for anyone selling raw cards. Just my opinion.....

edited to add that I doubt my opinion coincides with the law but it's just the way business should be done imo.

[chaddurbin]

what kind of world do we live in where buyers have to assume there's something wrong with raw cards and sellers questioning whether they should take back altered cards?

[FrankWakefield]

A seller accepting a return is fine, and probably good practice. NOT because there's an implied warranty of slabability, but just fair business practice.

If the listing guaranteed the card would grade, then yes, definitely. If the seller had tried to grade it and was unsuccessful, that should be disclosed.

Still, if the buyer wanted a graded card then he should have bought a graded card, instead of one that wasn't graded. No way would I, as a seller, reimburse a buyer his lost grading fees in such a situation, absent a guarantee that the card would grade.

[Matthew H]

I think people read too much into feedback rating. If a seller has 1000 feedback scores, who cares if a few are negative? I sure don't. It takes too long two search through positives to find the negatives. I have spent time searching only to find ridiculous feedback such as "card would not cross-over" or "card took 2-weeks to get to me" I really don't look too much anymore. I have only had to open one case with ebay and that seller had 100% positive.

I think "card came back trimmed" would be awful feedback to have. You should really try to avoid that.

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I think people read too much into feedback rating. If a seller has 1000 feedback scores, who cares if a few are negative? I sure don't. It takes too long two search through positives to find the negatives.

Not if you use toolhaus.org

[bobbyw8469]

link...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MESOX:IT

and another...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MESOX:IT

I can't get the other one to come up because it is too old. These were disclosed as having been rejected, and I got just as much as I would have gotten if they were slabbed. The Mays, I totally forgot having sent it in. I have no reason to lie. Like someone else said, I would get JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE by disclosing it. The money I got wasn't that great....I think I paid roughly that much for it. I believe it was one I got off Ebay, but I could have gotten it from Hunt Auctions. I don't remember. The bottom line is, the buyer submitted it, said it was trimmed, and he got refunded. I still have the card lying someone around my house, amongst all my other cards. I will sub it to SGC when I think about it, and who knows, they may grade it an "A", or they may even give it a number grade. I don't know, nor do I care....I do this as a HOBBY - I definitely don't do this for the money. I think it is FUN buying raw cards, graded cards, etc from all the various auctions I see. Dealing with Nam takes the wind out of my sails. I don't have many dealings on this board, nor do I go to card shows, but I have a firm belief in what's right is right, and turnabout is fair play. The "witch hunt" Nam started was uncalled for.....who knows, alot of those people who said I was "no good"
have probably bought stuff from me in the past....I don't know. Anyway, I am off work now, so I can finally write a verse or two,.....

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by timzcardz

Not if you use toolhaus.org

Awesome, thanks!

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by timzcardz

Not if you use toolhaus.org

You don't even need that site any more. Currently, you can just click on the number of the neutral or negative feedback, right on Ebay and they sort it for you.

(Edited to add: In fairness, this guys doesn't seem to have any negatives.)

[cobblove]

"I have nothing to gain by lying"
I think if someone lied about a card being Nm-Mt when it was trimmed they could gain something called money.
It doesnt really matter What happend. But it does look bad. And the way you dodged certain questions just makes it worse. Maybe you did forget. But some find that answer hard to believe when others can remember what there first pack they bought was and what they pulled. Just move on