Question for RAW card sellers?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I recently sold a raw card on Ebay. The buyer sent it off to PSA and PSA claimed the card was trimmed. Basically, do raw card sellers guarantee that PSA will grade the card or is that a given?

I can't believe that this is a serious question. You advertised the card as "NEAR MINT/MINT" and if it is trimmed, then it is definitely NOT "NEAR MINT/MINT." As a seller, you should stand behind your product (and your claim).

What exactly are you thinking here? Do you think that the buyer is lying to you, or do you believe that PSA could have made a mistake? If you're claiming PSA could have made a mistake then you probably should remove the part in your description that says PSA is one of the "best 3rd party graders available." You either trust PSA's opinion or your don't.

Here's the real kicker. Finally your listing says, "Anything not graded by one of these grading companies isn't worth the money paid for it." So in other words, the Mays isn't worth the money paid for it?

I also have to question why most of your other cards are graded by PSA and a Mays this sweet looking is not???

Refund the buyer the money and quit asking ridiculous questions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I also have to question why most of your other cards are graded by PSA and a Mays this sweet looking is not???

Refund the buyer the money and quit asking ridiculous questions.

+1 +1 ..... (that equals +2)

[bobbyw8469]

Point taken...thanks for all the advice.

[k-dog]

I agree with Leon to a point...but the truth is, many cards have been submitted and were originally labeled as trimmed...but after several more submissions were later graded. Anyone selling raw cards(this is not meant as an attack directly to you), should at least have the basic knowledge and experience to know whether it is trimmed. And if it is, giving a refund would be the right thing, Just my opinion as well.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Bobby,

I didn’t mean to be too hard and If I seem a little bitter about the situation, it’s because I am. About 4 years ago I had a similar situation happen to me. I purchased 4 high end raw cards ($2200 total) from a seller on eBay by the username “ValreySportsCards” (or something very similar) from Downey, CA. I sent them to PSA and they all came back as trimmed. The seller promised me a refund if I sent the cards back to him, which I did. However, I had to jump through hoops to finally get the refund, including calling the fraud division of his local police department. The seller has/had other usernames as well such as “jojosportsheaven.” Anyway, I know what it feels like to be on the buying end of trimmed cards. I have always enjoyed looking at your auctions and hope you make the right decision.

David

[nam812]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I also have to question why most of your other cards are graded by PSA and a Mays this sweet looking is not???

Because he sent it to PSA and it was deemed EOT, but he failed to disclose that when he sold it raw.

bobbyw8469 started a similar whiny thread on CU (http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=785657) about this 1955 Bowman Mays, and when he was questioned as to whether or not he had subbed that card to PSA first himself he said he did not.

This thread (http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=771322) shows he DID sub it to PSA and received an EOT. So he knew it was EOT, and sold it raw without disclosure.

Edited cause I cant seem to do links here.

[jb217676]

I read that whole thread. Pretty vicious!

[teetwoohsix]

Uhm, wow.......

[Jim VB]

Bobby does NOT come off looking too good here.

[chaddurbin]

maybe it was a different NRMT '55 mays bobby submitted?

a small favor...can you guys stop being dirtbags and shady as hell so i won't have to block/ignore you guys on the board for my viewing pleasure?

[Matthew H]

Yikes

[Leon]

Maybe Bobby will answer the question of not having it graded but saying he did, on the other board? Not a good day for Bobby.......unless it's a different raw '55 Bowman Mays in NRMT shape .

[deadballera]

right now I am currently selling a RAW card on eBay right now. If it was trimmed or altered, I would state it in the description so no interested bidder is mislead.

In fact, 95-98% of my vintage cards are raw. I would like to have them graded at the present time don't simply due to costs. I enjoy collecting whether they are RAW or graded. You can usually pick up RAW cards a little cheaper than graded material.

[bobbyw8469]

Leon...I am at work now so I can't respond like I wanted to. Carol has since locked the thread. I have never intentionally screwed anyone over, and the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Nam is a low life POS who hates me ever since day 1 without really knowing me. I refuse to resort to their low-life "witch hunt".......people who have dealt with me in the past know I am straight up and honorable. It is a popularity contest though, and Nam has alot of cronies....

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

maybe it was a different NRMT '55 mays bobby submitted?

a small favor...can you guys stop being dirtbags and shady as hell so i won't have to block/ignore you guys on the board for my viewing pleasure?

LOL.

OK. I'll try.