Vintage Cards graded 8/9/10

[Matt]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't know the answer to that because it would be mere speculation;

Jeff - that's the point - it's a gauge on collector perception, not on the cards themselves.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Matt

Jeff - that's the point - it's a gauge on collector perception, not on the cards themselves.

Matt, I'm not sure that it even gauges collector perception. Inevitably, many of the purported 'have-nots' -- who only buy 3s, 4s, and 5s -- will claim that all the high graded stuff is trimmed, even though they don't think so, so as to smugly rationalize why they don't go for the expensive stuff.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Matt, I'm not sure that it even gauges collector perception. Inevitably, many of the purported 'have-nots' -- who only buy 3s, 4s, and 5s -- will claim that all the high graded stuff is trimmed, even though they don't think so, so as to smugly rationalize why they don't go for the expensive stuff.

I just assume they are balanced out by those who only collect high grade and vote a low percentage to protect their investment.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Matt

I just assume they are balanced out by those who only collect high grade and vote a low percentage to protect their investment.

Hell, it doesn't make a difference if people think the cards in 9 and 10 holders are trimmed -- they sell themselves. I can't say the same for cards in 2-5 holders.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Hell, it doesn't make a difference if people think the cards in 9 and 10 holders are trimmed -- they sell themselves. I can't say the same for cards in 2-5 holders.

I don't know what kind of 2's - 5's you collect but quite a few that I collect have great demand....this is a PSA 2MK. I am quite sure many of my low grade cards WILL sell themselves when the time comes....regards

[calvindog]

Obviously, I'm not referring to super-rare low grade cards of which the low-graded card is one of just a handful or only example.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Obviously, I'm not referring to super-rare low grade cards of which the low-graded card is one of just a handful or only example.

Fair enough. I had to say something as I look at my hundreds of 2's-5's .

[botn]

Hard to generalize when the question covers the NM-MT, MINT and GEM MINT grades. I think there are many legit NM-MT cards out there but think the percentage of legit MINT cards is smaller and the the percentage of legit GEM MINT cards is even smaller than that. I have not seen all of the TPG 8s, 9s and 10s but have seen enough that I would be confident saying more than 20% have been trimmed. I am sure there is a correlation between the decreasing number of over sized EXMT and NEAR MINT cards and the increased number of MINT and GEM MINT cards. I have yet to see an over sized MINT or GEM MINT but have seen many in lower graded holders.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by botn

I have yet to see an over sized MINT or GEM MINT but have seen many in lower graded holders.

Boy, does that hit the nail on the head.

[4815162342]

I've always wondered how a genuine (gem) mint card could survive in that state for 100+ years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think 20-30, based on a combination of personal observation, hearsay of varying degrees of reliability, common sense, and consensus reports about the buying habits of certain individuals.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think 20-30, based on a combination of personal observation, hearsay of varying degrees of reliability, common sense, and consensus reports about the buying habits of certain individuals.

While it pains me to agree with a defense lawyer , I agree with Peter.

Kenny

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Matt

I just assume they are balanced out by those who only collect high grade and vote a low percentage to protect their investment.

That is known as the "reverse smugly." I have no clue but I would not be surprised at all if it were well in excess of 20%. Remember we are talking about a fairly small sample, 50+ years old and a 8/9/10.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Matt, I'm not sure that it even gauges collector perception. Inevitably, many of the purported 'have-nots' -- who only buy 3s, 4s, and 5s -- will claim that all the high graded stuff is trimmed, even though they don't think so, so as to smugly rationalize why they don't go for the expensive stuff.

I think we need some TPG social promotion.