Even the so called good guys...ugly hobby?

Peter_Spaeth · #1 05-16-2009, 04:04 PM

Jeff be careful of declaring premature victories, after you declared a consensus on your private email position a number of people came on and said they agreed with me.

I find it interesting that you are quick to acknolwedge Kevin was lying in what he said he had DONE, but you nonetheless assume the statement accurately reflects his intent and state of mind in terms of a wish to defraud. Maybe the whole thing was just BS. Maybe he didn't mean ANY of it.

calvindog · #2 05-16-2009, 04:19 PM

Peter, 100-15 is still a consensus.

And I hardly was quick to absolve Kevin of wrongdoing; I just claimed it wasn't the ultimate question here and not necessary to be answered definitively. The fact that he openly discussed committing fraud against Net 54 members is what is bothersome. His admission of past fraud just makes these concerns more acute.

And Todd, many people are capable of committing crimes. The ones that openly brag about it, discuss how they have done it and will do it -- when at the very time they present a different face to the world -- well, they're the ones to be a little more concerned of, no?

Ultimately John laid this out for the very reasons you noted: to keep it in mind when dealing with him and to get a more honest picture of Kevin. And comments made in private emails are often way more helpful in determining the true nature of someone rather than public pronouncements.