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05-16-2009, 10:14 PM
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Just curious -- who are the other two? Any guesses? 
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05-16-2009, 11:42 PM
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Here's another Jim Crandall quote.... "You have a group of collectors on network 54 that do not like graded cards and in many cases the people that collect them. In their view, a fair amount of the cards are altered and those that buy them are buying plastic. On the flip side they believe they have the skills because they can feel the card outside the holder to detect alterations. Their knowledge next to Kevin is like a nursery schooler compared with someone who has a PHD." Last edited by wonkaticket; 05-16-2009 at 11:43 PM.
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05-16-2009, 11:50 PM
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Jeff, let me understand you. Your comments about admissibility of certain evidence--Kevin's statement--wasn't intended to suggest that any lawsuit should, would or could be filed here. It's just meant to show that the law will allow such statements because they are deemed reliable. OK.
So are you telling us that this initial statement of Kevin's, the one cut and pasted at the beginning of this thread, is inherently reliable? And that his subsequent disavowal and claim that he made it up is in fact the lie? We should or must believe the first and disregard the second? Because if so I do not believe many here see it that way--several are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or chalk it up to poor judgment and bravado. Moreover, if you are right and the first statement is true: "I have made sure that each already has or will have an altered card in their collection " then I expect specific instances will surface--hell, everyone's on notice to go check their cards right now--and it will indeed blow back on or fall down on Kevin. My thought is let's wait and see if that in fact happens. I'm curious to know how anyone thinks that was done to them or even could have been done to them. I am certainly willing to eat crow if necessary, but right now I just think this thing is WAAAAAAAAAY overblown.
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05-16-2009, 11:57 PM
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Todd, I clearly stated many, many times in this thread that the claim that he had already committed fraud via the way he described is "not a major danger" or something to that effect. The part that troubled me was his stated desire to alter cards and defraud Net 54 members. That was bizarrely troubling, especially coming from a guy who claims to want the exact opposite with this hobby. And many, many people on the board would agree with this sentiment.
And you still haven't answered my question: Have you ever discussed in a private email conversation the subject of altering cards and defrauding Net 54 members? And if not, do you know of anyone (besides Kevin and Elkins) who ever has? Anyone?
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05-17-2009, 12:37 AM
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I have no idea what your first sentence means--sorry. Please explain again how it is he has committed fraud.
I assumed your questions were rhetorical. I will not discuss with you the nature or content of any of my private emails, or by extension, list topics that I have not discussed in emails. This is simply none of your business. Similarly, my knowledge of other's people's email conversations, or lack of same, is a topic I have no desire to share.
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05-17-2009, 12:49 AM
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Great. Re-read the thread and you'll understand it. I only said it 19 times as did Wonka and many others.
And I've never discussed undertaking card alteration or the hope of defrauding Net 54 members to anyone. And like the very great majority of Net 54 members, I don't want to associate with anyone who does. And this thread has really jumped the shark....
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05-17-2009, 03:09 AM
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Jeff you know what they say...
"You can lead a horse to water...." If this was any other person on here they would be outraged by these comments. It's very clear some folks are only happy after they get ripped off to be made aware of issues.  I cant make it any more clear this isn't a discussion of logistics of how Kevin could do what he said, lets leave that to an episode of Columbo. This is a discussion that any person who is of a trustworthy nature doesn't make comments like the above. I will also say I'm a bit turned off by anyone who so defends said comments or shrugs them off as no big deal. People of this community should be outraged. Many folks welcomed Kevin with open arms to target any members of this forum because he has a beef with them is childish and silly regardless of if you think Kevin was blowing steam or really up to no good! Also any business who has openly supported Kevin etc. should also beside themselves with these comments. It's a signal flare to all be warned about Kevin thats all take what ever information you can from this, draw whatever conclusions you may. Just be warned if you have any dealings planned with Kevin....take warning or go about your business and if all works out great...if not...well you own fault. Cheers, John
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05-17-2009, 04:58 AM
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"There are eight million stories in our Naked City, and this has been one of them."
For those that are not familiar, the above was the sign off of one of the early police TV programs called The Naked City.
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05-17-2009, 11:13 AM
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Mike Baker may be a good grader when he wants to be, but there are so many questionable cards in GAI holders, that he either is not good at it, or something fishy was going on there. Are they still in business? Re-opening Monday? JimB
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05-17-2009, 12:04 PM
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Todd, I’m done elaborating to you I have said my peace on this thing now like 10 times.
If you’re cool with Kevin and supportive of him and his so called lie to make Scott Elkins and himself feel better after the forum wasn’t a 100% in favor of his so called proof that Scott’s “underprint” was legit great knock yourself out guy. Hopefully Scott Elkins is all better now Kevin and Scott go bowling this weekend mission accomplished? I’m however not so cool with folks who pretend to be a supportive part of a community and privatively talk about having already defrauded members and have plans to continue to defraud other members of the same community that welcomed them just because he has an axe to grind. I don’t support known card doctors bragging about screwing folk’s with doctored cards pretty simple policy for me. It’s clear we disagree on this that's ok guy.  But I guarantee you Todd you won’t see any offline emails from me where I brag and lie to Jeff Lichtman to make Jeff and I feel better about screwing you with altered cards because we disagree. Think about how ridiculous and farfetched that sounds. I get upset at folks from time to time all people do…do I ever in an email admit to fraudulent and illegal acts to one person to make myself feel better about it…uhh no. Cheers, John
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05-17-2009, 12:13 PM
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Jim I thought they had reinvented themselves yet again and were opening up in Iowa of all places? EDIT TO ADD As to how to reconcile what we all saw from GAI with Mike Baker's expertise, well, one could speculate.
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05-17-2009, 12:15 PM
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05-17-2009, 12:16 PM
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gai is now global authority
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05-17-2009, 02:40 PM
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I'm sure Kevins name is a few steps below mud for the majority of us.
Never had a personal problem with Scott. But the cock fights really says alot regarding what type of person somene is. "NOT THAT THERES ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT "  Really sad to find this out about someone in the community. Although many did have questions from the begining. I would hope that buisnesses who might in someway employ Kevin take a second look at who there dealing with.
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05-17-2009, 03:57 PM
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John
Of course we can agree to disagree--that was my position all along.
I still don't know to whom you were referring when you said "If this was any other person on here they would be outraged by these comments." If it was Kevin, then surely you jest, as he had his detractors long before this thread. If it was me then that's fine, but I would point you to the first page or so of this thread, where several people including a moderator declined to declare outrage, and took a far less hardline position. No, I'm not "cool" with Kevin's comments--I know of no one here who has said they agreed with them and who did not view them negatively. I do believe that a man be can be defended when certain conduct of his cannot, and a man can be defended even when that conduct should be condemned. Here, I do not see myself as even Kevin's defender-- I only stated my view that time will tell if he actually did anything to anyone, and that his ridiculous comments alone were not worthy of collective, utter and irretractable scorn. You apparently disagree. Fine. My only reason in making the last post was in reaction to how you had seemingly gone from a "I'm just reporting what I have seen" and "thanks for the opinions" poster to a "here's how everyone should feel" (outraged) advocate. The nolemmings in me took immediate notice of being told how I and everyone else should feel. I do not see it as an all or nothing issue, a you're with us or you're agin us proposition. Sorry if you do. Nothing personal intended.
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