REA reveals a 24 year mystery....the PIEDMONT Plank

[benjulmag]

Ted,

While what you say about the cards being proofs seems plausible, can you blow up the images to show the proof lines?

[justmike]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Ted,

While what you say about the cards being proofs seems plausible, can you blow up the images to show the proof lines?

Proofs would be the only logical explanation.Had they been reprinted in the 50's wouldn't there be more 50-75 total copies of each.If they were reprinted with the original plates than they should be way more plentiful.The reprint issue just doesn't make sense at all to me.
Mike

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Ted,
I don't think anyone thinks that Wagner and Plank were inserted into Piedmont packs... But I doubt they were proofs either.... My guess is that they were printed on several sheets with Piedmont backs before they were told not to include them, but that's only a guess.
Hope you are well. Brian

[tedzan]

One card is on page 4 and the other is on page 5 of this thread. Click onto the REA auction....lot #890 for the Piedmont Plank.
The proof mark is most noticeable in the REA picture. The other two require the use of a magnifier.


TED Z

[E93]

Richard,
There is no Plank on the five card strip. It has Wagner, Young, M. Brown, and a couple of commons.
JimB

[tedzan]

How many Wagner's exist with Piedmont backs ?

Best regards,

TED Z

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Ted,
That depends on how many uncut sheets or "printer's samples" made it out the back door...

Be well Brian

PS So far we only have 2 Piedmont Wagner's and 3 Plank's, but more may show up....

[tedzan]

Why do you doubt that the Piedmont Plank's are proofs ?

All 3 Plank's we have accounted for in this thread have the identical proof mark on the top border as does this repro
example of the Eddie Collins' proof.

Here's a "twist"......perhaps Collins, Plank and Wagner were all on the same sheet. And, when American Caramel Co.
prevented American Litho. from issuing Collins and Plank....Wagner was discarded in the process. I find it more than
just coincidental that the same number of Piedmont Plank's equals the same number of Piedmont Wagner's.






TED Z

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Ted,
Perhaps we are splitting hairs, but I don't consider any cards with ad's on the back as proofs... I have always thought that Wagner and Plank were probably on the same sheet, but I have never had the evidence to prove it.
As far as the printer's mark goes... I have several examples of T205's and T206's with the same marks on more than one side. I will try to post a few when I have time, but anyone who owns an Irv Young will see these marks on 3-4 sides.... Be well Brian[IMG][/IMG]

[E93]

Originally Posted by tedzan

How many Wagner's exist with Piedmont backs ?

Best regards,

TED Z

There are two confirmed (the Gretzky and the one Mastro auctioned about 8 years ago). There are rumors of a third. There was an auction for one listed in TTS many years ago without a photo. Nobody knows what happened to it. Leon might have some information on that one.
JimB

[tedzan]

Ole buddy....while I agree with you....not all "proofs" are back-less. As you know, most of these proofs
from the 350/460 Series have Sweet Cap 460 Factory 30 backs.





Best regards,

TED Z

[justmike]

Wow that Johnson proof is awesome.Do you own that card.
Mike