REA reveals a 24 year mystery....the PIEDMONT Plank

tedzan · #1 05-05-2009, 06:31 AM

How many Wagner's exist with Piedmont backs ?

Best regards,

TED Z

Brian Weisner · #2 05-05-2009, 06:50 AM

Hi Ted,
That depends on how many uncut sheets or "printer's samples" made it out the back door...

Be well Brian

PS So far we only have 2 Piedmont Wagner's and 3 Plank's, but more may show up....

tedzan · #3 05-05-2009, 02:46 PM

Why do you doubt that the Piedmont Plank's are proofs ?

All 3 Plank's we have accounted for in this thread have the identical proof mark on the top border as does this repro
example of the Eddie Collins' proof.

Here's a "twist"......perhaps Collins, Plank and Wagner were all on the same sheet. And, when American Caramel Co.
prevented American Litho. from issuing Collins and Plank....Wagner was discarded in the process. I find it more than
just coincidental that the same number of Piedmont Plank's equals the same number of Piedmont Wagner's.

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TED Z

Brian Weisner · #4 05-05-2009, 04:22 PM

Hi Ted,
Perhaps we are splitting hairs, but I don't consider any cards with ad's on the back as proofs... I have always thought that Wagner and Plank were probably on the same sheet, but I have never had the evidence to prove it.
As far as the printer's mark goes... I have several examples of T205's and T206's with the same marks on more than one side. I will try to post a few when I have time, but anyone who owns an Irv Young will see these marks on 3-4 sides.... Be well Brian[IMG]

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ethicsprof · #5 05-05-2009, 08:17 PM

Brian W. (tarheel bud),
i have gazed at my 2 irv young's (one from my favorite Lionel Carter Collection) thousands of times and have never noticed the marks before.
i quickly went to look at them with the help of a wee bit of a magnifier
(due to 58 years) and saw them with great glee.
many,many thanks.
once again, i sit humbly at your feet.

best,

barry

tedzan · #6 05-06-2009, 01:16 AM

Thanks for the info on Young. My Piedmont Young has the mark.

But, my Sovereign Young does not.

Great stuff, guy.

TED Z

tedzan · #7 05-06-2009, 07:41 AM

Great question

Quote:

Originally Posted by reisshead

Were there other cards pulled with these, or was it only Wagner and Plank?

My theory is that, initially the T206 cards were printed on small sheets (possibly comprising of only 12 cards).
If American Litho. discarded these (1st press run) sheets with Plank and Wagner printed on them, then other
Subjects were discarded, also.

My guess is that some of the tougher cards in the 150 series were included, such as........

Burch (batting)
M. Brown (Cubs)
Cobb (green portrait)
Donlin (fielding)
L. Doyle (throwing)
Evers (bat-blue sky)
Lundgren (Cubs)
Mullin (horizontal)
Pelty (horizontal)
Reulbach (glove)
Schulte (Cubs)

TED Z

E93 · #8 05-06-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

How many Wagner's exist with Piedmont backs ?

Best regards,

TED Z

There are two confirmed (the Gretzky and the one Mastro auctioned about 8 years ago). There are rumors of a third. There was an auction for one listed in TTS many years ago without a photo. Nobody knows what happened to it. Leon might have some information on that one.
JimB

tedzan · #9 05-06-2009, 01:03 PM

Ole buddy....while I agree with you....not all "proofs" are back-less. As you know, most of these proofs
from the 350/460 Series have Sweet Cap 460 Factory 30 backs.

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Best regards,

TED Z

justmike · #10 05-06-2009, 01:27 PM

Wow that Johnson proof is awesome.Do you own that card.
Mike

Brian Weisner · #11 05-06-2009, 02:17 PM

Hi Ted,
As you know.... The Johnson was part of a group of about 30 cards which didn't make it all the way through the printing process. Most of these "printer's scraps" only received the first 2-3 colors of the process, thus they appear as black and yellow with a touch of brown.
I don't consider any of these proofs, only printer's scrap....

Be well Brian

tedzan · #12 05-06-2009, 03:16 PM

Got it guy....I now know the difference between "proofs" and "scraps".

See, you can teach an old dinosaur new tricks....

Be good,

TED Z

Brian Weisner · #13 05-06-2009, 03:32 PM

Hi Ted,
I'm sure we could start another thread on the "definition of a proof" and get at least a hundred different opinions...

Be well Brian

PS I want to be the one to find the 3rd Piedmont Wagner...

bond73 · #14 05-08-2009, 06:17 AM

"The Johnson was part of a group of about 30 cards which didn't make it all the way through the printing process. Most of these "printer's scraps" only received the first 2-3 colors of the process, thus they appear as black and yellow with a touch of brown."

There are only about 30 of these yellow and brown printer's scrap exist?? They are rarer than Wagner then