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Old 11-12-2025, 06:30 AM
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Could never happen… I’ve heard that a lot over the last 10 years in regards to the collecting community
Superior Knowledge or Superior Opinions lol

Time will tell…

My question is what impact does the downfall of the grading number at SGC have on the the previous higher end vintage graded cars in SGC slabs.

Will the youth remember SGC ?
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Old 11-12-2025, 10:27 AM
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Superior Knowledge or Superior Opinions lol

Time will tell…

My question is what impact does the downfall of the grading number at SGC have on the the previous higher end vintage graded cars in SGC slabs.

Will the youth remember SGC ?
I have many SGC cards and certainly hope they retain value, but for reasons we've discussed, my expectation would be that inevitably and eventually a defunct brand is going to suffer some devaluation.
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I have many SGC cards and certainly hope they retain value, but for reasons we've discussed, my expectation would be that inevitably and eventually a defunct brand is going to suffer some devaluation.
I agree with you...hopefully it will be very minimal devaluation.
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I agree with you...hopefully it will be very minimal devaluation.
The other thing is, while I expect exceptions will be made for certain favored people (just how the grading game works), crossovers are going to be very tough given the pretty dramatic changes in PSA grading standards.
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The other thing is, while I expect exceptions will be made for certain favored people (just how the grading game works), crossovers are going to be very tough given the pretty dramatic changes in PSA grading standards.
A few cards come to my mind...the T206 Wagner and the 52 SGC 9.5 Mantle...only issue is PSA does not have a 9.5 Grade... You know they won't 10 it...Marshal and Kendricks would have a Shit Hemorrhage.
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I agree with you...hopefully it will be very minimal devaluation.
As long as everyone around here continues to value them at full value, including buying them at full value, they will retain that value. And over time, this group will probably end up buying up the vast majority of them.

At least, until this group finds a need to cash out.
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As long as everyone around here continues to value them at full value, including buying them at full value, they will retain that value. And over time, this group will probably end up buying up the vast majority of them.

At least, until this group finds a need to cash out.
The purchasing power of the "enclave"!!
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The purchasing power of the "enclave"!!
Pretty much.

Except my guess is that when prices start falling, the knives will come out and buyers here will demand big discounts.

But in the meantime, we can all profess our love for the tux and how we’ll gladly pay full price for them.
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I really liked the look of the SGC holders and the turn around time. I wonder if they ran another $12 special, especially for pre war stuff if they would see a giant spike again like the one special they ran for 80s cards?

CGC seems like mostly pokemon type stuff? I wouldn trust them for really old cards?
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As long as everyone around here continues to value them at full value, including buying them at full value, they will retain that value. And over time, this group will probably end up buying up the vast majority of them.
Respectfully, I think you are greatly overestimating both the buying power of "this group" and, more important, the percentage of prewar collectors in the hobby that "this group" comprises.
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Respectfully, I think you are greatly overestimating both the buying power of "this group" and, more important, the percentage of prewar collectors in the hobby that "this group" comprises.
Probably right. Although in all fairness, my original comments were largely sarcastic.
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Probably right. Although in all fairness, my original comments were largely sarcastic.
That would not have been the first thing to go over my head.
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I have many SGC cards and certainly hope they retain value, but for reasons we've discussed, my expectation would be that inevitably and eventually a defunct brand is going to suffer some devaluation.
The change in grading standards has also created a negative perception of older PSA slabs too. I wonder if those take a hit in value down the line
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The change in grading standards has also created a negative perception of older PSA slabs too. I wonder if those take a hit in value down the line
That has certainly been the case with modern high grade.
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The change in grading standards has also created a negative perception of older PSA slabs too. I wonder if those take a hit in value down the line
it is really really noticeable with the t206 cards i collect. what used to be a 3 is almost a 1 now when you compare old old slabs to modern ones. goes back to the "buy the card not the grade"
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it is really really noticeable with the t206 cards i collect. what used to be a 3 is almost a 1 now when you compare old old slabs to modern ones. goes back to the "buy the card not the grade"
Spot-on. PSA's grading standards have devolved by an average of 2 points over the last 5-6 years.... across all grades. No continuity whatsover.
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Spot-on. PSA's grading standards have devolved by an average of 2 points over the last 5-6 years.... across all grades. No continuity whatsover.
Just IMO, part of it is that there are more and more and more subtly altered cards available, so tougher grading is the only way to keep the pops on the high end down.
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The change in grading standards has also created a negative perception of older PSA slabs too. I wonder if those take a hit in value down the line
Registry play cards will get hit the most. The 7s or 8s that should be 2 grades lower by today's standards.
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Registry play cards will get hit the most. The 7s or 8s that should be 2 grades lower by today's standards.
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Makes sense. Good thing I find myself swimming in the 1’s, 2’s and sometime 3 end of the grading pool.
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