Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson Reinstated by MLB

[judsonhamlin]

Originally Posted by bmattioli

Long overdue. Bet Rose is chuckling up there..

Or down there

[inceptus]

Looks like my "Free Lee Magee" campaign finally had the desired effect...

[Beercan collector]

Financial decision - His own fault he was banned but he should’ve stayed banned , I know lifetime ban blah blah blah but have some integrity - Pete Rose was not allowed to be part of baseball while he was alive but now that he’s dead baseball can and will exploit him - Pete Rose night already scheduled for tomorrow .
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/pete-rose-night
Seems they forgot to do the bobble heads

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Financial decision - His own fault he was banned but he should’ve stayed banned , I know lifetime ban blah blah blah but have some integrity - Pete Rose was not allowed to be part of baseball while he was alive but now that he’s dead baseball can and will exploit him - Pete Rose night already scheduled for tomorrow .
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/pete-rose-night
Seems they forgot to do the bobble heads

Hardly the first time Cincinnati has had a Pete Rose night

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Hardly the first time Cincinnati has had a Pete Rose night

It’s bullshit , it’s a chickenshit power move. MLB deemed him undesirable and unworthy but when it comes to making a dime let’s ride him , he made some bad decisions for sure but he bust his ass for 25 years playing baseball and MLB wants to benefit from his efforts - how cute .
A Bunch of amorals in a think tank wondering how to increase revenue - “ how about that Pete rose fella he’s dead now he can’t do nothing about it , we throw his family some peanuts and make a killing “
He was unworthy while he was alive but now that he’s dead he’s welcome - Did MLB’s perception of a change ? of course not but now he’s a cash cow .

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

It’s bullshit , it’s a chickenshit power move. MLB deemed him undesirable and unworthy but when it comes to making a dime let’s ride him , he made some bad decisions for sure but he bust his ass for 25 years playing baseball and MLB wants to benefit from his efforts - how cute .
A Bunch of amorals in a think tank wondering how to increase revenue - “ how about that Pete rose fella he’s dead now he can’t do nothing about it , we throw his family some peanuts and make a killing “
He was unworthy while he was alive but now that he’s dead he’s welcome - Did MLB’s perception of a change ? of course not but now he’s a cash cow .

Is that you Marty Brennaman?

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

It’s bullshit , it’s a chickenshit power move. MLB deemed him undesirable and unworthy but when it comes to making a dime let’s ride him , he made some bad decisions for sure but he bust his ass for 25 years playing baseball and MLB wants to benefit from his efforts - how cute .

A Bunch of amorals in a think tank wondering how to increase revenue - “ how about that Pete rose fella he’s dead now he can’t do nothing about it , we throw his family some peanuts and make a killing “
He was unworthy while he was alive but now that he’s dead he’s welcome - Did MLB’s perception of a change ? of course not but now he’s a cash cow .

Agreed!

[ThomasL]

Yes the HOF is seperate from MLB and could have just said they would still be ineligible...but the HOF came out today as well and said they would allow the banned players to be eligible. They could be on the 2027 Eras Committee ballot at the earliest. BC they changed up the Eras Committees a few years ago hey would all be on the same ballot.

I think these guys items are already at HOF values or better...the only one I see that could get a bump is Eddie Cicotte...he has an outside shot at HOF and he is the lowest priced items of the 8 Men Out.


Is it possible 8 men out prices outside Jackson will drop in value???

Also this was not a new argument...Joe Jackson supporters have been arguing the ban should end at death for decades now and it all fell on deaf ears...

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by ThomasL

Yes the HOF is seperate from MLB and could have just said they would still be ineligible...but the HOF came out today as well and said they would allow the banned players to be eligible. They could be on the 2027 Eras Committee ballot at the earliest. BC they changed up the Eras Committees a few years ago hey would all be on the same ballot.

I think these guys items are already at HOF values or better...the only one I see that could get a bump is Eddie Cicotte...he has an outside shot at HOF and he is the lowest priced items of the 8 Men Out.


Is it possible 8 men out prices outside Jackson will drop in value???

Also this was not a new argument...Joe Jackson supporters have been arguing the ban should end at death for decades now and it all fell on deaf ears...

If the Hall of Fame truly wanted to show they were independent from MLB, they never would have changed their rules years ago right after Rose was banned and made him ineligible for the ballot. Since that's now their rule, it wouldn't make sense to keep him ineligible from being on a future ballot.

[Ima Pseudonym]

Being banned from baseball-related activities is perfectly reasonable.

Being banned from the museum about baseball history never made any sense whatsoever.

People like Jackson and Rose should have been in immediately, but their plaques should have described their time in baseball -- the good and the bad -- and let the fans/museum patrons decide how they feel about it.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by packs

Does it even matter if MLB reinstated them? The Hall of Fame is independent of MLB and as far as I know makes their own rules about induction and eligibility.

Originally Posted by Ima Pseudonym

Being banned from baseball-related activities is perfectly reasonable.

Being banned from the museum about baseball history never made any sense whatsoever.

People like Jackson and Rose should have been in immediately, but their plaques should have described their time in baseball -- the good and the bad -- and let the fans/museum patrons decide how they feel about it.

^ This! And a pox on the Hall of Fame for the hypocrisy of claiming to be independent of MLB yet acting as MLB's lapdog.

[packs]

I still don't think Rose is likely to be elected. As the documentary on him showed, he really doesn't have very many friends in baseball. The voters have kept Bonds, Schilling and A-rod out. I don't feel like Rose had a better relationship with baseball than they did.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I still don't think Rose is likely to be elected. As the documentary on him showed, he really doesn't have very many friends in baseball. The voters have kept Bonds, Schilling and A-rod out. I don't feel like Rose had a better relationship with baseball than they did.

May depend on who is voting.

[packs]

I don’t know what voters think or who will be voting but I wouldn’t think Rose has a lot of fans in the people who are currently voting. He is recently deceased and from what I remember from the documentary during his visit to the Reds stadium when he was welcomed back he had a hard time finding friends to join him.

[ThomasL]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

May depend on who is voting.

The Eras Committe that would be voting on these players is made up of 16 people broken down from 3 areas: HOFers, Exceutives, and Veterans/Media

HOFers: Paul Molitor, Eddie Murray, Tony Pérez, Lee Smith, Ozzie Smith, Joe Torre

Executives: Sandy Alderson, Terry McGuirk, Dayton Moore, Arte Moreno, Brian Sabean

Media (this might have changed as they may rotate who gets to vote in this group): Bob Elliott, Leslie Heaphy, Steve Hirdt, Dick Kaegel and Larry Lester


A player needs 12 votes or more for election and at least 5 to stay on the ballot is my understanding