Ken Kendrick Talks About His Altered Wagner

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Tomi

Has anyone read the book on the PSA 8 Wagner "The Card"? Wondering what info it provides that hasn't been discussed here.

Yes and that's where some of the "info" about the card comes from. In the book it states that Sevchuk told Zimmerman that Ray's father purchased an uncut sheet at a Florida flea market but it also states in the book that years later when asked about it both Sevchuk and Ray refused to discuss the origin of the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Yes and that's where some of the "info" about the card comes from. In the book it states that Sevchuk told Zimmerman that Ray's father purchased an uncut sheet at a Florida flea market but it also states in the book that years later when asked about it both Sevchuk and Ray refused to discuss the origin of the card.

Yeah I did not understand that, I mean why the cloak and dagger stuff? Especially when Ray was claiming that Mastro had cut the card.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah I did not understand that, I mean why the cloak and dagger stuff? Especially when Ray was claiming that Mastro had cut the card.

Maybe the trimming isn't the most nefarious thing about the card.

[tjisonline]

I’m wondering why Ken Kendrick won’t share photographs of the Wags card before the Masteo trim jobs. Yes, I think he trimmed it twice.

[parkerj33]

The info about how Ray got it seems to be brand new....and plausible. It would explain where the card lived for the 70+ years prior to Ray selling to Mastro. I believe kendrick wouldn't show the photos because they have pictures of possibly now-deceased prior owners holding the card, and maybe he was only given those on agreement to keep them private.

Another interesting aspect is that those original owners had the name "Wagner" and believe they were related to honus. Amazing they were just gonna throw out the shoebox but gave it to an employee.

The other aspect i think i've heard reported is that this wagner was part of a partial sheet that also had a plank on it, and they were both cut from that. This story doesn't quite mesh with that aspect. But perhaps that is what was in the shoebox.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

The info about how Ray got it seems to be brand new....and plausible. It would explain where the card lived for the 70+ years prior to Ray selling to Mastro. I believe kendrick wouldn't show the photos because they have pictures of possibly now-deceased prior owners holding the card, and maybe he was only given those on agreement to keep them private.

Another interesting aspect is that those original owners had the name "Wagner" and believe they were related to honus. Amazing they were just gonna throw out the shoebox but gave it to an employee.

The other aspect i think i've heard reported is that this wagner was part of a partial sheet that also had a plank on it, and they were both cut from that. This story doesn't quite mesh with that aspect. But perhaps that is what was in the shoebox.

I don't think it's a picture of the original owners holding the card I think it's a picture of Ray or Ray ond Sevchuk with the card.

The majority of the story is pretty fishy. The card supposedly is originally purchased at a Florida flea market in sheet form where it's brought to a New york dealers shop to make a back room deal for cash. Ray has the only original photo of the card with it's "bowed out side borders" (a few people supposedly had xerox coppies of the photo) but he says he doesn't want to share them because he plans on writing a book about the card.

[samosa4u]

There are many possibilities as to why we've been kept in the dark regarding the origins of this Wagner. Other cards from that uncut sheet might've gotten high grades from PSA as well and the owners of those cards don't want any drama.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Maybe the trimming isn't the most nefarious thing about the card.

Those rumors have been around for a long time, but was there ever any serious substantiation?