Ken Kendrick Talks About His Altered Wagner

[parkerj33]

The info about how Ray got it seems to be brand new....and plausible. It would explain where the card lived for the 70+ years prior to Ray selling to Mastro. I believe kendrick wouldn't show the photos because they have pictures of possibly now-deceased prior owners holding the card, and maybe he was only given those on agreement to keep them private.

Another interesting aspect is that those original owners had the name "Wagner" and believe they were related to honus. Amazing they were just gonna throw out the shoebox but gave it to an employee.

The other aspect i think i've heard reported is that this wagner was part of a partial sheet that also had a plank on it, and they were both cut from that. This story doesn't quite mesh with that aspect. But perhaps that is what was in the shoebox.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

The info about how Ray got it seems to be brand new....and plausible. It would explain where the card lived for the 70+ years prior to Ray selling to Mastro. I believe kendrick wouldn't show the photos because they have pictures of possibly now-deceased prior owners holding the card, and maybe he was only given those on agreement to keep them private.

Another interesting aspect is that those original owners had the name "Wagner" and believe they were related to honus. Amazing they were just gonna throw out the shoebox but gave it to an employee.

The other aspect i think i've heard reported is that this wagner was part of a partial sheet that also had a plank on it, and they were both cut from that. This story doesn't quite mesh with that aspect. But perhaps that is what was in the shoebox.

I don't think it's a picture of the original owners holding the card I think it's a picture of Ray or Ray ond Sevchuk with the card.

The majority of the story is pretty fishy. The card supposedly is originally purchased at a Florida flea market in sheet form where it's brought to a New york dealers shop to make a back room deal for cash. Ray has the only original photo of the card with it's "bowed out side borders" (a few people supposedly had xerox coppies of the photo) but he says he doesn't want to share them because he plans on writing a book about the card.

[samosa4u]

There are many possibilities as to why we've been kept in the dark regarding the origins of this Wagner. Other cards from that uncut sheet might've gotten high grades from PSA as well and the owners of those cards don't want any drama.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

There are many possibilities as to why we've been kept in the dark regarding the origins of this Wagner. Other cards from that uncut sheet might've gotten high grades from PSA as well and the owners of those cards don't want any drama.

According to Mastro he was told the cards were in strips before he saw them, the Wagner was cut well oversized but a Plank was cut terribly undersized. I don’t recall him mentioning any other cards specifically. I see no reason why he would be lying about that.

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

According to Mastro he was told the cards were in strips before he saw them, the Wagner was cut well oversized but a Plank was cut terribly undersized. I don’t recall him mentioning any other cards specifically. I see no reason why he would be lying about that.

I could be wrong, but wasn't this Plank the supposed match to the Wagner??

[benjulmag]

I believe this is the one that purportedly came from the same (partial) sheet. Charley Conlon owned it before REA auctioned it.
https://collectrea.com/archives/2009...06-eddie-plank

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by e107collector

I could be wrong, but wasn't this Plank the supposed match to the Wagner??

Mastro talks about the too tightly cut Plank at 1:10:45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omp0P5kJ9Cs