David Hall talks about The Wagner

[ruth-gehrig]

Regraded today what is it getting?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

Regraded today what is it getting?

It won't be, so the question is moot.

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

It won't be, so the question is moot.

I think it's called speculation and it's a valid question.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

I think it's called speculation and it's a valid question.

As long as we're speculating, what are the odds that they won't recognize that it's the same one that they graded at cert 00000001?

If your question is based on a fantasyland where it gets regraded, and where it's not identified as having been previously graded, and they really look at it fresh without any preconceived notions, then it seems likely that it would get the AA grade.

But that requires us to suspend a whole lot of belief to get there.

[Snowman]

I think they likely knew it was trimmed but didn't care, as evidenced by the other countless obviously trimmed cards they encapsulated back then.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

Regraded today what is it getting?

AUTH first because it's sheet cut and second because from there it was trimmed. That said, they would know it's the same card and stubbornly stick it in an 8 holder again.

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

AUTH first because it's sheet cut and second because from there it was trimmed. That said, they would know it's the same card and stubbornly stick it in an 8 holder again.

Absolutely agree! No way it would ever be downgraded to what it actually is.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

Absolutely agree! No way it would ever be downgraded to what it actually is.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

AUTH first because it's sheet cut and second because from there it was trimmed. That said, they would know it's the same card and stubbornly stick it in an 8 holder again.

After Mastro admitted the card was trimmed, during the National PSA luncheon, David Hall said that he called Ken Kendrick about the PSA guarantee, and that Kendrick refused. He mentioned this again during the video above.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

After Mastro admitted the card was trimmed, during the National PSA luncheon, David Hall said that he called Ken Kendrick about the PSA guarantee, and that Kendrick refused. He mentioned this again during the video above.

I was told that at that lunch he doubled down that it was legit, asking for a show of hands who had seen it outside the holder and his was the only one.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I was told that at that lunch he doubled down that it was legit, asking for a show of hands who had seen it outside the holder and his was the only one.

I was there, at the luncheon. That is also true.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I was told that at that lunch he doubled down that it was legit, asking for a show of hands who had seen it outside the holder and his was the only one.

LOL, too bad Bill wasn't at the lunch.

[Lorewalker]

I agree with others that the people in the grading room knew it was trimmed. I saw the card at the National one year...not in hand so I was not able to determine if the trim job was obvious or not. From that distance and even knowing that it had been cut off a sheet and then trimmed again, it looked the part.

I also take Hall's stance as self-serving and not sure he exudes the sophistication of someone who has a keen eye for grading and authentication but I could be entirely wrong. Just an impression from the numerous interviews he has done over the years.

[tiger8mush]

Making sure I understand the definitions, do these sound correct?

Factory cut - cutting the card from a sheet while at the factory
Sheet cut - cutting the card from a sheet after it leaves the factory
Trimming - further cutting one or more of the card's edges after it has been cut from the sheet

Hypothetically the same (or extremely similar) tool could be used in all 3 applications?