Frank chance near mint condition. Help please

[steve B]

Does anyone know the origin of that idea that grading companies will steal the card/coin/stamp and replace it with a common one or reprint?

I have to think it happened at some point in the past, but don't remember ever hearing about it as an actual event*

*being different from the occasional losing of a submission that happens.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by steve B

Does anyone know the origin of that idea that grading companies will steal the card/coin/stamp and replace it with a common one or reprint?

I have to think it happened at some point in the past, but don't remember ever hearing about it as an actual event*

*being different from the occasional losing of a submission that happens.

I have not heard of that happening specifically, but perhaps others have. I have heard many instances of the TPG dinging corners, creating creases and staining cards' surfaces. Not sure they've ever fessed up to it voluntarily with their submitters. But I have heard a number of instances where the submitter noticed it, filed a complaint, and got some type of restitution.

I know that doesn't answer your specific question, but is somewhat related in concept.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I have not heard of that happening specifically, but perhaps others have. I have heard many instances of the TPG dinging corners, creating creases and staining cards' surfaces. Not sure they've ever fessed up to it voluntarily with their submitters. But I have heard a number of instances where the submitter noticed it, filed a complaint, and got some type of restitution.

I know that doesn't answer your specific question, but is somewhat related in concept.

I know of at least two instances where PSA reached out and told a submitter that they damaged a card.

[Bpm0014]

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes

I've handled thousands (?) and I think they may be real as well. Horrible pictures, but they don't jump out as obvious reprints

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes

I've handled thousands (?) and I think they may be real as well. Horrible pictures, but they don't jump out as obvious reprints

How many of the Thousands of t206's that you handled had modern typset letters and numbers printed on them like these? Do you have any T206's that YOU have decided are real with these types of back marks in your collection? If you do would appreciate you sharing. We might all learn something.
J

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

How many of the Thousands of t206's that you handled had modern typset letters and numbers printed on them like these? Do you have any T206's that YOU have decided are real with these types of back marks in your collection? If you do would appreciate you sharing. We might all learn something.
J

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

[Bpm0014]

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

Look when folks began reprinting cards there was concern. As not everyone could tell the difference. To help combat this reprinters began applying marks in modern typesetting to alert folks that they are not in fact real....but reprints.
I am 63 my eyesight is not what it was but I could ( and I am not the only one) tell at first glance these were not real T206's. Thanks to the fact that there was marking on the back.
Ignoring these warnings only helps those that would defraud collectors. Who frankly don't need the help.
J