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Bdt1981 01-30-2025 11:42 AM

Frank chance near mint condition. Help please
 
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What is the black lettering bottom right corner. How to tell if this is legit card. Found in safe inside a storage unit ibought. There were 3 t206 cards and 2 big cards like the one is on.

npa589 01-30-2025 03:29 PM

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Bdt1981 01-30-2025 05:56 PM

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Here is what I have. Any want to offer anything? They are in mint condition.

Wildfireschulte 01-30-2025 07:15 PM

Great first two posts - welcome to the Net!

Eric72 01-31-2025 09:11 PM

I’ve never seen that exact mark on a baseball card before. However, I have seen similar markings on items owned by museums. Some curators use a system of letters and numbers to mark incoming items as they catalog them.

I’m not saying that’s the case here; however, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw a closeup picture of the black markings on the back/bottom/right of that card.

Bdt1981 01-31-2025 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2492661)
I’ve never seen that exact mark on a baseball card before. However, I have seen similar markings on items owned by museums. Some curators use a system of letters and numbers to mark incoming items as they catalog them.

I’m not saying that’s the case here; however, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw a closeup picture of the black markings on the back/bottom/right of that card.

You think it would devalue it?

chalupacollects 01-31-2025 09:35 PM

Might be from a buyback program


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Lucas00 01-31-2025 09:40 PM

As they are I think the stamps are suspicious. The fact you found Brown and chance of all players is also suspicious. The fact they are in amazing condition is suspicious (aside from the stamp). I would definitely send them in to a third party for a legit check and grading. Not making any accusations, but it's impossible to tell with those grainy photos if these are legitimate. Finding corners that sharp, raw on a t206 is like 1 in 10,000. My opinion at least.

scottglevy 01-31-2025 09:41 PM

The “big cards” are T3 Turkey Reds. The most important thing is to assess whether they are genuine or reprints. Generally extremely high grade card “finds” tend to be reprints (although a few exceptions exist). The scans are not clear enough for me to feel confident in rendering an opinion.

Bdt1981 02-01-2025 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scottglevy (Post 2492667)
The “big cards” are T3 Turkey Reds. The most important thing is to assess whether they are genuine or reprints. Generally extremely high grade card “finds” tend to be reprints (although a few exceptions exist). The scans are not clear enough for me to feel confident in rendering an opinion.

I will get better pix. I do believe they are real deal. I'll not dare send them to anyone to get them stolen. I been researching and what I have found is jaw dropping. These appear to be the best in the world. Quality.

Bdt1981 02-01-2025 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2492666)
As they are I think the stamps are suspicious. The fact you found Brown and chance of all players is also suspicious. The fact they are in amazing condition is suspicious (aside from the stamp). I would definitely send them in to a third party for a legit check and grading. Not making any accusations, but it's impossible to tell with those grainy photos if these are legitimate. Finding corners that sharp, raw on a t206 is like 1 in 10,000. My opinion at least.

Also the yellow chance Is there as well. In equal condition.

Bdt1981 02-01-2025 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2492666)
As they are I think the stamps are suspicious. The fact you found Brown and chance of all players is also suspicious. The fact they are in amazing condition is suspicious (aside from the stamp). I would definitely send them in to a third party for a legit check and grading. Not making any accusations, but it's impossible to tell with those grainy photos if these are legitimate. Finding corners that sharp, raw on a t206 is like 1 in 10,000. My opinion at least.

Crazy thing is these cards aren't even the real gem in the safe. How about the actual original contract for hank aaron and his bat contract. Not a copy this is the real thing. I feel like it's the only real one thst exists. Even has the hole where his autograph was was taken yo put on the bat. A letter from babe ruth to his school. Real thing.

Lucas00 02-01-2025 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492685)
Crazy thing is these cards aren't even the real gem in the safe. How about the actual original contract for hank aaron and his bat contract. Not a copy this is the real thing. I feel like it's the only real one thst exists. Even has the hole where his autograph was was taken yo put on the bat. A letter from babe ruth to his school. Real thing.

I like to give the benefit of the doubt, but these are some pretty wild claims. I think you probably found the contents of somebody who got "Coach's Cornered".

Bdt1981 02-01-2025 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2492688)
I like to give the benefit of the doubt, but these are some pretty wild claims. I think you probably found the contents of somebody who got "Coach's Cornered".

Coaches cornered? I don't understand? I promise i have no reason to make this stuff up. And I know the claims may be wild but I'm 100% not lying or bullshitting at all. Humor me a minute if I were to have found something like I described how would I go about selling it? I'm not a collector f sports stuff of course I would like to get as much as possible but the numbers I see are beyond crazy.

Louisville_Hugger 02-01-2025 07:40 AM

Can you post better pics of the cards? To me, at least from those pics, I’d be extremely skeptical. Coloring on both looks muted, centering is perfect which you rarely see. Couple these with the stamp, the overall condition, and the backstory and there’s a high probability they aren’t legit. That said, no one will be able to give you a definitive answer by looking at just those pictures.

Eric72 02-01-2025 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981
What do you mean?

Please note - the following is a general statement; I'm not saying this is the case with the cards you've shown.

Museums occasionally write catalog numbers directly on objects in their collection. Presumably, this serves at least two distinct purposes. First, it aids with the processing of an incoming acquisition. Secondly, it serves to identify their property at a later date.

Eric72 02-01-2025 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492664)
You think it would devalue it?

If the cards are genuine, something about which I am not certain, the markings may very well negatively impact their value. Most collectors prefer cards without random markings, everything else being equal.

In a very small number of cases, specific markings have increased the value of a card. The most obvious example of this would be when the player pictured has autographed the card. Other examples include "back stamp" markings from particular (well known) collectors.

If you can, please post clear pictures of your cards. I suggest, at minimum, three pictures of each T206 card:
  1. Front of card
  2. Closeup of the player's name (from the card front)
  3. Back of card
Collectively, Net54 members are exceptionally skilled at authenticating T206 cards. They will be able to tell you if you've posted images of genuine examples. That would be a logical first step in estimating value.

Wildfireschulte 02-01-2025 08:41 PM

I must say that I am impressed by the reserve that members are showing here. We all know that Bdt’s presentation has all of the hallmarks of fake ignorance regarding reprint cards. It’s just way too easy these days to find out if they are real.

Bdt - just tell us what big city you live near and we will point you to a show where a dealer can show you real T206’s and maybe even some “large cards”. You will have your answer in 5 minutes.

Bdt1981 02-01-2025 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildfireschulte (Post 2492933)
I must say that I am impressed by the reserve that members are showing here. We all know that Bdt’s presentation has all of the hallmarks of fake ignorance regarding reprint cards. It’s just way too easy these days to find out if they are real.

Bdt - just tell us what big city you live near and we will point you to a show where a dealer can show you real T206’s and maybe even some “large cards”. You will have your answer in 5 minutes.

oklahoma

ruth-gehrig 02-01-2025 10:20 PM

What town in Oklahoma?

Bdt1981 02-02-2025 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig (Post 2492941)
What town in Oklahoma?

City

Bdt1981 02-02-2025 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildfireschulte (Post 2492933)
I must say that I am impressed by the reserve that members are showing here. We all know that Bdt’s presentation has all of the hallmarks of fake ignorance regarding reprint cards. It’s just way too easy these days to find out if they are real.

Bdt - just tell us what big city you live near and we will point you to a show where a dealer can show you real T206’s and maybe even some “large cards”. You will have your answer in 5 minutes.

the reserve? Fake ignorance? Reprints say something along the lines of that on them. R a different date

ruth-gehrig 02-02-2025 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492963)
City

Yeah there's no town in Oklahoma named "City". Not sure your agenda here

Bdt1981 02-02-2025 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig (Post 2492972)
Yeah there's no town in Oklahoma named "City". Not sure your agenda here

For the slow people. Oklahoma City.

ruth-gehrig 02-02-2025 09:08 AM

I've never once heard it called City. Good luck on finding out about your cards. My offer to look at them to confirm they are fake for you is off the table.

Kevin 02-02-2025 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildfireschulte (Post 2492933)
I must say that I am impressed by the reserve that members are showing here.

I don't post often, but I 100% get behind this statement! Well done, net54!

DallasAg 02-02-2025 10:17 AM

You don’t know how much they’re worth but immediately started fielding offers? How did you find Net54 if you’re not already familiar with baseball card collecting? I’m not trying to be rude; I am just pointing out why you may be met with skepticism.

If you’re completely opposed to mailing them, you could call Beckett and see if they’ll accept an in person drop off and make the 3hr drive to Dallas to get them authenticated.

I would be interested in seeing pictures of the rest of the find

chalupacollects 02-02-2025 10:27 AM

Those MLB marks look like dot matrix printing. Not older than late 1970’s or 80’s…


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Carter08 02-02-2025 10:46 AM

I’m also impressed that members are being kind here given the claims.

Leon 02-02-2025 11:13 AM

This was moved from a BST section. Get out the popcorn.
I, too, am impressed with the restraint shown by Net54baseball members.
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Fred 02-02-2025 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492976)
For the slow people. Oklahoma City.

I understood what you meant by "Oklahoma City", but that's kind of a rude way to approach this as a new member of an established board.

For what it's worth, cards with razor sharp corners like that draw a bit of skepticism from the git-go. The fronts seem a little fuzzy and washed out, which leads to more skepticism.

Perhaps you could start by posting hi-res scans or non-fuzzy pictures and not answer posts with sarcasm or what ever it is you call that.

John1941 02-02-2025 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred (Post 2493057)
Perhaps you could start by posting hi-res scans or non-fuzzy pictures and not answer posts with sarcasm or what ever it is you call that.

Chutzpah perhaps?

Vintagedeputy 02-02-2025 02:26 PM

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I’m sorry, but that’s some funny shit right there! 😂

Brick442 02-02-2025 02:53 PM

This thread is entertaining if nothing else. I look forward to the replies on this cold and boring Sunday in NJ.

brianp-beme 02-02-2025 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brick442 (Post 2493090)
This thread is entertaining if nothing else. I look forward to the replies on this cold and boring Sunday in NJ.

What town in NJ?


Brian

BobbyStrawberry 02-02-2025 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2493091)
What town in NJ?


Brian

City (Jersey) ?

Aquarian Sports Cards 02-02-2025 03:09 PM

I'm on a consignment run in a couple weeks and will be Oklahoma city. Get in touch if you'd like to show them to someone in person.

bigfanNY 02-02-2025 03:24 PM

Oh come on there is a time for being nice and a time for calling reprints ....REPRINTS!
The MLB stamp was clearly placed there to prevent anyone from thinking that they had a pair of real T206's.

luciobar1980 02-02-2025 04:19 PM

"I'll not dare send them to anyone to get them stolen. I been researching and what I have found is jaw dropping. These appear to be the best in the world. Quality"

HAHA

Bpm0014 02-02-2025 04:29 PM

This dude is a clown.

D. Bergin 02-02-2025 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 2493118)
This dude is a clown.


Damn, and we just got rid of a Bigfoot!

nebboy 02-02-2025 05:16 PM

For some perspective look at bpt1981 other thread he started with better photos of the Chance T3 Turkey Red. That card also has the date stamp on LRH.

Vintagedeputy 02-02-2025 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492683)
I will get better pix. I do believe they are real deal. I'll not dare send them to anyone to get them stolen. I been researching and what I have found is jaw dropping. These appear to be the best in the world. Quality.

Comedy gold....

chalupacollects 02-02-2025 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2493091)
What town in NJ?


Brian


Ummm, it’s what exit?


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frohme 02-02-2025 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2493093)
City (Jersey) ?

That was my immediate thought on getting this far ... well played!

Mark17 02-02-2025 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492256)
What is the black lettering bottom right corner. How to tell if this is legit card. Found in safe inside a storage unit ibought. There were 3 t206 cards and 2 big cards like the one is on.

Just curious, how is it you know that the small cards are referred to as T206, but are unaware what the big cards are called? They were all issued during the same 3-year period.

You say you've been researching them, but still don't know what the "big cards" are?

[Mark17 shows a bit less restraint than others...]

Brick442 02-02-2025 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chalupacollects (Post 2493156)
Ummm, it’s what exit?


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Haha bingo! … exit 74

jsfriedm 02-03-2025 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdt1981 (Post 2492701)
I promise i have no reason to make this stuff up.

I can think of many thousands of reasons.

pitburgfan 02-03-2025 07:09 AM

The only thing missing from his original post was that his uncle has the cards.

NiceDocter 02-03-2025 09:16 AM

Also missing
 
“G’day mate… I believe my old man has a few of these in his garage..”


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