Frank chance near mint condition. Help please

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

How many of the Thousands of t206's that you handled had modern typset letters and numbers printed on them like these? Do you have any T206's that YOU have decided are real with these types of back marks in your collection? If you do would appreciate you sharing. We might all learn something.
J

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

[Bpm0014]

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

Look when folks began reprinting cards there was concern. As not everyone could tell the difference. To help combat this reprinters began applying marks in modern typesetting to alert folks that they are not in fact real....but reprints.
I am 63 my eyesight is not what it was but I could ( and I am not the only one) tell at first glance these were not real T206's. Thanks to the fact that there was marking on the back.
Ignoring these warnings only helps those that would defraud collectors. Who frankly don't need the help.
J

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Look when folks began reprinting cards there was concern. As not everyone could tell the difference. To help combat this reprinters began applying marks in modern typesetting to alert folks that they are not in fact real....but reprints.
I am 63 my eyesight is not what it was but I could ( and I am not the only one) tell at first glance these were not real T206's. Thanks to the fact that there was marking on the back.
Ignoring these warnings only helps those that would defraud collectors. Who frankly don't need the help.
J

I'm glad you were confident, at a glance, that these were reprints.

Clearly, the black letters/numbers aren't original to T206 cards. I believe everyone on the board can agree with that. Since those markings could be applied to genuine examples, though, I gather there's something else tipping you off.

I don't mean the OP, their story, etc. That's all background noise. Cards are either real or fake, independent of everything else. I'm trying to figure out what element of this card identifies it as fake. Again, not the black markings.

The reason I'm focused on this is perhaps a bit self-centered. I buy T206 cards. I occasionally buy them raw. If there's a new version of counterfeits circulating, it would be helpful to know. For instance, as someone else mentioned, the name and team are printed in a way that is usually not found on fakes.

Higher quality images would help; however, the OP hasn't posted them.

Having the card in hand would provide a definitive answer. I'm not driving to Oklahoma, though. Among other reasons, I have no interest in buying the cards.

What interests me is figuring out whether there's a new "generation" of fakes out there. A few long-time members have also chimed in on this thread. They weren't sure these cards were fake, either. From what I've seen in the past, it's typical for this board to call out a fake T206 rather quickly...and unanimously.