1952 Topps set question?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by homerunhitter

if I’m reading this right, for example instead of trying to collect a 1952 topps graded set (minus the mantle) or trying to complete a 1951-1959 topps run (minus the mantle) it would be financially better to instead focus on collecting key HOF cards from the 1950’s?

Correct, the vast majority of cards have sold for the same amount for the last decade. The ones that have gone up in value are the HOF rookies, for the most part. A $5 common now is a $10 common in 20 years. A $2,000 HOF RC now might be an $8,000 card in two decades, keeping or exceeding pace with the rate of inflation.

[homerunhitter]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Correct, the vast majority of cards have sold for the same amount for the last decade. The ones that have gone up in value are the HOF rookies, for the most part. A $5 common now is a $10 common in 20 years. A $2,000 HOF RC now might be an $8,000 card in two decades, keeping or exceeding pace with the rate of inflation.

Thank you John for your thoughts on this. I truly appreciate you very much for always helping me. I need to really focus my collecting goals as im all over the place because I REALLY love all the 1950’s cards and want to have/collect them all! But I also want to be smart with my money. My thoughts are shifting toward a box of super cool HOFers (Ex. 1954 Topps Hank Aaron and 1952 Topps Willie Mays) might just be better for my goals vs a box of near complete set of raw (or graded) commons from the 1950’s. Thank you again.

[homerunhitter]

Also,
While looking at HOF Topps cards on eBay to purchase. For long term value, do you recommend/prefer signed or unsigned HOF Topps rookie cards? Would love to hear your thoughts on that. Thank you

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Correct, the vast majority of cards have sold for the same amount for the last decade. The ones that have gone up in value are the HOF rookies, for the most part. A $5 common now is a $10 common in 20 years. A $2,000 HOF RC now might be an $8,000 card in two decades, keeping or exceeding pace with the rate of inflation.

So, in your example, your HOF rookie card is worth 400 times what a common card goes for. You are predicting that in 20 years, the multiple will be 800 times.

Others on Net54 have made similar comments. My question is, why do you think that? What you are saying in essence is that HOF RC cards will double in value relative to commons. What are you expecting will cause that?



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[swarmee]

Historical trends continuing, at least in collector grade cards.

I already pointed out on this board multiple instances of PSA 8 commons from 1952 Topps dropping thousands of dollars in value a decade ago over a spam of a couple of years.

But demand remains on stars, hall of famers, and errors like the Yellow Tiger House because of their names staying in the national consciousness. The Grady Hattons of the world don't move the needle.

[homerunhitter]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Correct, the vast majority of cards have sold for the same amount for the last decade. The ones that have gone up in value are the HOF rookies, for the most part. A $5 common now is a $10 common in 20 years. A $2,000 HOF RC now might be an $8,000 card in two decades, keeping or exceeding pace with the rate of inflation.

Sorry,
This question was for John (I forgot to use the quote in my response)

Also,
While looking at HOF Topps cards on eBay to purchase. For long term value, do you recommend/prefer signed or unsigned HOF Topps rookie cards? Would love to hear your thoughts on that. Thank you

[swarmee]

Ah, I like both for investment/collecting purposes. For the 50s/60s cards, you're pretty much locked into the ones signed already, since many of the HOFs from those decades have now passed or stopped signing.

I actually just sold a 1933 Goudey Bill Dickey signed card this morning. It was in rough shape, but because it was autographed was valuable. I'd prefer to focus more on the fan favorite types than the standard HOFs that don't make you imagine how good they were. Guys like Bob Gibson, Nolan Ryan, Carlton Fisk, ones that you still see in the highlight clips.

[homerunhitter]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Ah, I like both for investment/collecting purposes. For the 50s/60s cards, you're pretty much locked into the ones signed already, since many of the HOFs from those decades have now passed or stopped signing.

I actually just sold a 1933 Goudey Bill Dickey signed card this morning. It was in rough shape, but because it was autographed was valuable. I'd prefer to focus more on the fan favorite types than the standard HOFs that don't make you imagine how good they were. Guys like Bob Gibson, Nolan Ryan, Carlton Fisk, ones that you still see in the highlight clips.

Thanks John for your insight on this. I also love signed HOF rookie cards however they get really, really expensive when you get down to the 50’s and 60’s players. Not sure I will ever afford/own a Hank Aaron signed rookie card or a Willie Mays signed 52 rookie, then I think why even bother if I’ll never truly collect them all (due to cost).

Im glad that I started this thread and that you gave your thoughts on this because prior to this thread I thought 100% that “any” 1952 topps would be a great investment due to it being such an old and iconic set! Now I am seeing that the 1952 topps set might not be so “automatic” when it comes to long term value.

[homerunhitter]

I think another thing that might mess with my OCD is if I started to collect these, is if PSA changes it’s slabs again! For me, I’ll have to have all the slabs matching plus I really don’t like the look of the the older PSA slabs. It would suck, if I collected these and PSA changed their Slabs halfway through!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by homerunhitter

I think another thing that might mess with my OCD is if I started to collect these, is if PSA changes it’s slabs again! For me, I’ll have to have all the slabs matching plus I really don’t like the look of the the older PSA slabs. It would suck, if I collected these and PSA changed their Slabs halfway through!

They do it for THIS reason!

One constant...is change!

Dont forget, slabs over the years dont all stack together perfectly!

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by homerunhitter

I think another thing that might mess with my OCD is if I started to collect these, is if PSA changes it’s slabs again! For me, I’ll have to have all the slabs matching plus I really don’t like the look of the the older PSA slabs. It would suck, if I collected these and PSA changed their Slabs halfway through!

This reminds me of the guy on the PSA boards who has been amassing cases of vintage 1980s unopened to crack them to submit to PSA for 10s.
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...ss-psa-10-sets

He started the thread and ripping back in 2018 when bulk grading was $6 each. He wanted to wait to submit the vast majority when he had complete sets, and then COVID boom happened, and submission prices went up to $20 minimum at one point. So the odds of him ever submitting all these perfect 10s he's been stockpiling is almost zero.

So don't let little things like slab/flip differences matter when it comes to your collecting. Take advantage of the opportunities you're given, when they're offered to you.