New York Times Leaf Article

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by packs

I’ve never heard of anyone refer to the Montiel Desportes set as being hand cut. They have received number grades for as long as I’ve been familiar with them.

I don't know if they were cut by hand or not. My point was merely that they aren't cards.

[packs]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I don't know if they were cut by hand or not. My point was merely that they aren't cards.

Then what are they? Cards can be made of a material other than standard Topps cardboard and be a card.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by packs

Then what are they? Cards can be made of a material other than standard Topps cardboard and be a card.

I am aware that there are different card stocks, but the Montiels are not printed on any of them. The paper they are printed on is newsprint, so you can call them sports images or whatever you like, but if you try to hold one level (horizontal) from the corner you'll find that they are decidedly not any sort of card. They'll just flop over, the same as any sheet of newspaper would, because that is how the material behaves. I don't expect we'll ever all agree on the minimum or maximum length or width for a baseball card, but I think we can at least agree that it needs to be a card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

FWIW PSA calls them cards.

https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/mu...-deporte/27394

[packs]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I don't know if they were cut by hand or not. My point was merely that they aren't cards.

Then what are they? Cards can be made of a material other than standard Topps cardboard and be a card.