Two hour interview with.... Bill Mastro

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

While I agree that it is immoral, it can't possibly be theft if the victim isn't out any money. That Wagner isn't worth one penny less as a result of it having been trimmed. The same is true of the controversial Wemby Black Prizm 1/1 that was polished by Kurt's Card Care. It's not worth a single penny less today. These cards can and will be transacted at full market value into perpetuity. There is no victim.

Did you look up criminal simulation? The crime is for altering an item with intent to defraud. Actual value isn't an element, just that you committed the act to try to raise the price.

But hey, I've only been a prosecutor for 16 years. You clearly know more about the elements of criminal offenses than me. Nothing I say will convince you. And frankly, nothing a jury says would convince you. You would sit behind bars arguing the jury doesn't know what they're talking about.

[calvindog]

I’ve been a criminal trial lawyer for 34 years, tried 50 cases to verdict, but the guy with Asperger’s knows more about what a criminal jury will do than me.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I’ve been a criminal trial lawyer for 34 years, tried 50 cases to verdict, but the guy with Asperger’s knows more about what a criminal jury will do than me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCWCSgBgJ0E

[Snowman]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm excited to watch all these fraudsters who are removing wax stains off the backs of their 1986 Fleer Basketball stickers spend some time behind bars for criminal simulation! And all these fraudsters soaking T206s to remove them from scrapbooks!

LOCK THEM UP!!! LOCK THEM UP!!!

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't know about you guys, but I'm excited to watch all these fraudsters who are removing wax stains off the backs of their 1986 Fleer Basketball stickers spend some time behind bars for criminal simulation! And all these fraudsters soaking T206s to remove them from scrapbooks!



LOCK THEM UP!!! LOCK THEM UP!!!

Logical fallacy. The lack of prosecution is not acquiescence to the legality of the act. Come do it in my county. Do you feel lucky?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Logical fallacy. The lack of prosecution is not acquiescence to the legality of the act. Come do it in my county. Do you feel lucky?

I would wager every penny I have and will ever earn that you could not get a jury to convict me, or anyone else for that matter, for cleaning a baseball card and selling it without disclosure. I think I could represent myself and clean the damn cards on the witness stand and sell them right in front of the jury on ebay in real time too. And I think you're a delusional nutjob if you believe otherwise.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I would wager every penny I have and will ever earn that you could not get a jury to convict me, or anyone else for that matter, for cleaning a baseball card and selling it without disclosure. I think I could represent myself and clean the damn cards on the witness stand and sell them right in front of the jury on ebay in real time too. And I think you're a delusional nutjob if you believe otherwise.

Think what you want, smart guy. You are clearly smarter than everyone else. Consequently, my experience is people with your arrogance are the easiest to convict. Your arrogance gets in the way of your objectivity and you walk right into every trap I lay at trial.

I do find it funny how it went from "no lawyer would say it's illegal." Then 2 lawyers show up and refute your claim. Then it changed to "well nobody gets charged, so it must be legal." And now it's "but you can't convince a jury to convict." LOL As if you have the slightest clue what a jury will do.

Like I said, put your freedom where your mouth is. Come do it in my county if you're so confident. The mere fact that you clean it and don't disclose it is proof in and of itself that not only does it make it worth more (else you wouldn't do it), but that you have an intent to defraud (else you would disclose). Good luck with your defense.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I would wager every penny I have and will ever earn that you could not get a jury to convict me, or anyone else for that matter, for cleaning a baseball card and selling it without disclosure. I think I could represent myself and clean the damn cards on the witness stand and sell them right in front of the jury on ebay in real time too. And I think you're a delusional nutjob if you believe otherwise.

So now you're wagering money in addition to body parts? LOL. Hysterical. You may end up broke and impotent.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Did you look up criminal simulation? The crime is for altering an item with intent to defraud. Actual value isn't an element, just that you committed the act to try to raise the price.

But hey, I've only been a prosecutor for 16 years. You clearly know more about the elements of criminal offenses than me. Nothing I say will convince you. And frankly, nothing a jury says would convince you. You would sit behind bars arguing the jury doesn't know what they're talking about.

When the FBI jumped into the PWCC and related offenders' investigation the cards in question were worth more at the time of the investigation than buyers would have paid for those cards yet they poured time and resources into the investigation for years.

Using Snowman's reasoning they must have dropped the matter once they realized, years later, that there were no victims because the cards were worth more than people paid for them.