Did I Screw Up????

[Johnny T]

Hello fellow Net 54 members...

Was at the Philly Show on Friday (love that show)...stopped at one of my favorite tables (William Chappell) and bought what I thought was a N172 Kid Nichols. This was my first N172 and it was of Kid Nichols!!! One of the 19th century players I had on my "list".

I was starting to input the card (attached) into my system and I wanted to just read up on ol' Kid. Well, I discovered his name is actually Charles Augustus Nichols...oh sh*t!!! My card is of Nick Nicholl.

Am I right that I still don't have a Kid Nichols card??? The card is beautiful in a high grade for a card of almost 140 years, but I don't think it is the card I thought it was...

Can anyone save the day for me?? Or should I just rip the bandaid off and fess up that I screwed this one up!

As Roger Daltrey once sang..."Let me Down Easy"

If it is not Kid Nichols, and if someone needs this card for their N172 set, let me know, maybe we can work something out where I can get my money back.

JT

[rand1com]

I don't think that is Kid Nichols. Not even spelled the same way.

[Steve D]

I'm sorry to say that is definitely not Kid Nichols.

Steve

[gabrinus]

That's Hugh Nicol...Jerry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Perhaps the price should have been a clue?

[Steve D]

Kid Nichols has five different poses in the N172 set. All of them show him with Omaha, and he's wearing a vertically-striped jersey with dark pants in each of them.

Steve

[Johnny T]

Thank you all....and yes the price should have been a clue.

Anyone interested in a Nichol???? lol

JT

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Johnny T

Thank you all....and yes the price should have been a clue.

Anyone interested in a Nichol???? lol

JT

Bummer...I am sure there should be plenty of folks willing to help on the Nichol. Especially if the price is just a nickel.

Cool card...good luck with the resale.


Brian

[Section103]

Pretty sure I bought a Frank Delahanty thinking it was Ed Delahanty. Sucks, but it happens sometimes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny T

Thank you all....and yes the price should have been a clue.

Anyone interested in a Nichol???? lol

JT

Well your enthusiasm got the better of you, it happens, you can sell the card.

[rand1com]

You can bet William Chappell knew that was not Kid Nichols.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rand1com

You can bet William Chappell knew that was not Kid Nichols.

I don't think the OP suggested William misled him.

[Beercan collector]

He holds the record for stolen bases in a season ,
122 runs 138 stolen bases on 102 hits ?

[JollyElm]

How much over legitimate comp pricing did you pay?

That's sort of the real essence of the problem here. If you paid Kid Nichols' money for it, then that sucks. If you paid relatively close to Nick Nicholl's money for it, then at least the problem is minor, as you will be able to sell it and recoup the cost, or close to it

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think the OP suggested William misled him.

Agreed.

Not suggesting that.

My point was William would not have had the card mis-priced badly on the low side due to not knowing who the card actually pictured.

William is an outstanding and fair dealer but very knowledgeable and meticulous.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Agreed.

Not suggesting that.

My point was William would not have had the card mis-priced badly on the low side due to not knowing who the card actually pictured.

William is an outstanding and fair dealer but very knowledgeable and meticulous.

Right, that's why I said before the price should have clued the OP in. Agree on William.

[Fred]

I'm pretty sure the Kid Nichols card is going to be substantially more than Hugh. Still not a bad card. Now you have a card of a player that holds the record for most SBs in a season!

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

He holds the record for stolen bases in a season , 122 runs 138 stolen bases on 102 hits ?

Nicol also walked 86 times, but the main reason he had so many stolen bases was that the rules for what was considered a stolen base were different to the current rules.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Fred

I'm pretty sure the Kid Nichols card is going to be substantially more than Hugh. Still not a bad card. Now you have a card of a player that holds the record for most SBs in a season!

I learned something on this thread. So Hugh Nicol = Nick Nicholl?

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[Johnny T]

I paid $800 for the card...I assume that is a reasonable price for the card. N172's don't seem to go cheap, even for commons.

I will probably post the card on our b/s/t section soon.

[rand1com]

An SGC 3 sold for $630 a year ago in an REA auction so I think the price for a 4 was very fair.

There has not been a recorded sale of an SGC 4 in VCP since 2011 and although it sold much lower in an auction in the $200 range, in 2008 there were 2 sales in the $500 ball park so again the price was probably very fair especially based on that 3 that sold last year and the trend 16 years ago for a 4.

Kid Nichols, depending on the pose, obviously sells for many times what you paid for this card.

[Republicaninmass]

I once bid eddie plank money, for eddie collins. Take the lump and move on

[Kaneen]

If I had a nickel for every Nicholl blunder I've ever made, I'd have a lot of Nichols. Sorry...I Kid, I Kid.

Good luck with the resale of your Nicholl...hopefully it will fetch you a lot of nickels to put toward your Nichols.

[michael3322]

This is perhaps a great opportunity to share this, if you haven't already seen it.



It is MLB's historian John Thorn's contribution:
https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/kid-nichols-in-his-own-words-c06896ab5f71

Kid Nichols, In His Own Words
John Thorn
Our Game
21 min read
Jul 10, 2012

"This document, never before published and largely unknown even to exist, may not contain startling revelations and indeed may be a mere historical curiosity. And yet … it is new, and the voice is that of Hall of Fame pitcher Charles Augustus “Kid” Nichols (1869–1953). It is appropriate to publish this thirty-page handwritten fragment on this day, as the All-Star Game is about to be played in Kansas City. That where the Kid lived from 1881 until his death, excluding the years of his professional ballplaying career.

The Nichols fragment resided in the files of the Baseball Hall of Fame since the 1950s. It was first published in Base Ball: A Journal of the Early Game, in the Fall 2010 issue, and is reprinted here with the permission of the publisher, McFarland and Company. The annotations in italics are the work of Bill Felber, estimable scholar and old friend. Typographical and orthographic oddities have been preserved."

[scottglevy]

I’m sure that you feel disappointed. Having said that, I think you paid a fair price for a very nice OJ card. I’d guess you could at least come close to recouping your investment.

Best
Scott

[The Detroit Collector]

It can happen to anyone. I once was bidding on a Chief Meyers when I thought it was Chief Bender

[gst6]

If this is now a confessional space, I didn't realize the Jim Devlin in N172 isn't Jim "banned from baseball 10 years before N172" Devlin.

[Steve D]

I just wonder how many people have bought a Curtis Welch, thinking it was Mickey Welch.

Steve

[JollyElm]

This reminds me of the time someone was trying to sell me his collection by crowing how it was "full of Aarons," but when I examined his albums, the only Aarons found there were Tommie Aarons. A frustrating lie of omission...but these days it makes me chuckle a little bit.

[Leon]

If you haven't screwed up in the hobby then you haven't been in it long enough. Nice OJ..

I remember buying an E97 black and white Irv Young from Terry Knouse Sr, about 25ish yrs ago, for 1k. I didn't know it was Irv when I bought it. #Shi* happens. Live and learn.
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[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

If you haven't screwed up in the hobby then you haven't been in it long enough. Nice OJ..

I remember buying an E97 black and white Irv Young from Terry Knouse Sr, about 25ish yrs ago, for 1k. I didn't know it was Irv when I bought it. #Shi* happens. Live and learn.
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exactly! I've got a handful or 2 of blunders in my 45 years in the hobby. It happens

[brianp-beme]

Here are an E93 and E98 Collins that, due to longstanding misidentifications in guide books, and which subsequently has been perpetuated by the grading companies, actually picture HOF player Jimmy Collins, not Eddie Collins. They were both on the 1907 and 1908 Athletics teams, with Jimmy being the established star at the end of his distinguished career, while youngster (and future HOF) Eddie was still a part time player until the 1909 season. Thus it was not a mistake made by the card's manufacturers, but instead a guide book cataloging error.

Eddie is definitely the more regarded and popular Hall of Fame player, and I obtained these with the blissfully ignorant thought that they were Eddie, but at least the actual reality is that they still picture a Hall of Famer, just a different one than what is seen listed in the guidebooks and on slab labels.

So don't be so hard on yourself, Nichols Nicol man. By the way, I guess that makes me an Eddie Jimmy man.


Brian

[RCMcKenzie]

The Browns Champs cards have really gone up in nice condition. I think you did just fine. Maybe a little toward retail, but fine.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

He holds the record for stolen bases in a season, 122 runs 138 stolen bases on 102 hits?

I wish baseball was still played like in the dead ball/scatter ball era up to 1920. Plenty of doubles, triples and stolen bases meaning action(!!!) on the base paths. I hate the simply swing for the fences strategy of today.

[parkplace33]

Did you end up selling the card?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

I wish baseball was still played like in the dead ball/scatter ball era up to 1920. Plenty of doubles, triples and stolen bases meaning action(!!!) on the base paths. I hate the simply swing for the fences strategy of today.

One things for sure, things will never be the same.



JT, if you never make any mistakes, you aren't trying enough. Good luck in the quest!

and a card from simpler times......no mistaking him!
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