1952 Topps Images of All Variations <Rolling Thread>

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Psa told me I could opt for either yellow tiger or gray back. They wouldn't add both. No reason given.


Sgc told me they only distinguish red/black backs, not gray backs.


Both are true stories

Ted, this explains a lot. I did not know that.

Irv, I probably would keep it raw. If I had to make a choice between grading companies I would go with PSA and have it slabbed as a House - Yellow Tiger since that distinction over the gray back is more subjective. The gray back "yellow tiger" can't have any red on the tongue or anywhere else on the tiger, as you know and should not have a green tint on the neck. The cream back House - yellow tiger with green tint on the neck seems to be more commonly found, than without the green tint. The gray back House, yellow tiger appears to be found only without the green tint on neck - but so few exist I am not positive.

However, the standards for grading a House with yellow tiger have not been consistently applied at PSA. I have seen some House - yellow tiger cards with slight shades of red on the tongue.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Ted, this explains a lot. I did not know that.

Irv, I probably would keep it raw. If I had to make a choice between grading companies I would go with PSA and have it slabbed as a House - Yellow Tiger since that distinction over the gray back is more subjective. The "yellow tiger" can't have any red on the tongue or anywhere else, as you know and should not have a green tint on the neck. The House with yellow tiger with green tint on the neck seems to be more commonly found, than without the green tint. The gray back House, yellow tiger appears to be found only without the green tint on neck - but so few exist I am not positive.

However, the standards for grading a House with yellow tiger have not been consistently applied at PSA. I have seen some House - yellow tiger cards with slight shades of red on the tongue.

Hi Mike!

I can always hope for registry purposes PSA realizes this should be added to the Super set.

Au contraire monfreir...the Absence of red on the tongue is WHY the neck appears green! if you look under a loupe, you will see the dot pattern is missing the red ink around the tiger and then up towards the neck.

The house SOLID yellow No green is an error, as it was printed this way on the sheet

The house WITH green is a variation, print defect, or man made error as ( I believe) the red was deliberately removed to match the other Tiger on the sheet. It would have been a slow process of stoning off the red mask, and this is why, over the print run, the tiger has less and less red with some (I will call it bleeding) onto his throat.

Since (IMO) the gray backs were printed first, we only have either solid yellow or perfect red. Somewhere along the lines, they decided to try and match the tigers, and it would have been too difficult to just add the red to the yellow tiger, so they starting removing the red from the other one on the sheet.

If you look at the two versions under a loupe the card with no green throat still has the red dot pattern, but the green throat version is missing the red "pixels" for lack of a better term.

I hope that early AM rant is coherent...enough

[ALR-bishop]

Can you imagine what the folks who produced the Topps 1952 set would think about the discussion in this thread ( or in any of the variant/variations threads)

[Zach Wheat]

Billy's card shown above (gray back House with yellow tiger) does not have the green neck tint. So gray back House cards with yellow tigers appear to exist in both cream and gray back....

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Billy's card shown above (gray back House with yellow tiger) does not have the green neck tint. So gray back House cards with yellow tigers appear to exist in both cream and gray back....

Correct, but no partial red aka green throat on the gray back...ever...as of yet

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Can you imagine what the folks who produced the Topps 1952 set would think about the discussion in this thread ( or in any of the variant/variations threads)

As Al-R said, another mystery.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Ted, this explains a lot. I did not know that.

Irv, I probably would keep it raw. If I had to make a choice between grading companies I would go with PSA and have it slabbed as a House - Yellow Tiger since that distinction over the gray back is more subjective. The gray back "yellow tiger" can't have any red on the tongue or anywhere else on the tiger, as you know and should not have a green tint on the neck. The cream back House - yellow tiger with green tint on the neck seems to be more commonly found, than without the green tint. The gray back House, yellow tiger appears to be found only without the green tint on neck - but so few exist I am not positive.

However, the standards for grading a House with yellow tiger have not been consistently applied at PSA. I have seen some House - yellow tiger cards with slight shades of red on the tongue.

Zach, I assume you meant with regards to Billy's card?

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Hi Mike!

I can always hope for registry purposes PSA realizes this should be added to the Super set.

Au contraire monfreir...the Absence of red on the tongue is WHY the neck appears green! if you look under a loupe, you will see the dot pattern is missing the red ink around the tiger and then up towards the neck.

The house SOLID yellow No green is an error, as it was printed this way on the sheet

The house WITH green is a variation, print defect, or man made error as ( I believe) the red was deliberately removed to match the other Tiger on the sheet. It would have been a slow process of stoning off the red mask, and this is why, over the print run, the tiger has less and less red with some (I will call it bleeding) onto his throat.

Since (IMO) the gray backs were printed first, we only have either solid yellow or perfect red. Somewhere along the lines, they decided to try and match the tigers, and it would have been too difficult to just add the red to the yellow tiger, so they starting removing the red from the other one on the sheet.

If you look at the two versions under a loupe the card with no green throat still has the red dot pattern, but the green throat version is missing the red "pixels" for lack of a better term.

I hope that early AM rant is coherent...enough

Interesting info, again, Ted.
I guess I should grab up a loupe. I know this has been discussed before, but what magnification is best?
I can grab a single, 40X for $15 bucks or can grab 3, a 10X, 20X and a 30X for $26.
This one (below) also for $18. 30X, 60X and 90X.

Maybe none of these are worth their salt though, or are any of these good enough?

https://www.amazon.ca/KINGMAS-Magnif...0&gad_source=1
https://www.amazon.ca/Jewelers-Magni...b&gad_source=1
https://www.amazon.ca/JARLINK-Jewelr...b&gad_source=1