1952 Topps Images of All Variations <Rolling Thread>

[BillyC_KY]

Irv, I tapped out at 4K. Looks like three guys went hard for this. Here is a pic of my House unicorn.

[irv]

Originally Posted by BillyC_KY

Irv, I tapped out at 4K. Looks like three guys went hard for this. Here is a pic of my House unicorn.

Sweet card, Billy!

I only watched the auction as I knew ahead of time it would be a little to spendy for my blood.
It was fun watching it explode in price in the last few seconds though.

[Republicaninmass]

Those idiots at SGC refused to holder my yellow tiger as either a gray or yellow!

The sgc poated copy is Only the 6th I've seen. Thanks for posting billy.

[ALR-bishop]

Nice Billy

[Republicaninmass]

Not sure if I'd posted

Wrong photo


Trying to post 3 gray backs
Gray/yellow
Gray/orange gray front
Gray/orange tiger glossy front

[Zach Wheat]

You never cease to amaze me Ted. Just curious if you think all yellow House gray backs lack most or all of the green neck?

Have you seen any yellow House gray backs with some or all of the green neck? Is there any correlation to the glossy fronts and the lack of green necks?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

You never cease to amaze me Ted. Just curious if you think all yellow House gray backs lack most or all of the green neck?

Have you seen any yellow House gray backs with some or all of the green neck? Is there any correlation to the glossy fronts and the lack of green necks?

The house gray is ONLY found yellow or orange. No partial red/green throat. These are 2 seperate cards placed on the sheet.


This is because after the gray stock was used
In the beginning of the run. After switching to the cream stock, someone noticed the logos were different on the same house cards on the sheet and tried to stone off the red from around the correct version to have them match. I'm guessing this was easier than trying to add a mask to get the orange logo to have red added. Eventually, the whole mask was redone to have the tiger logos matching.

To me, the yellow/gray is the key card which proves my theory of not only the grays printed first, but of the house card having both an error and a variation on the same sheet!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by BillyC_KY

Irv, I tapped out at 4K. Looks like three guys went hard for this. Here is a pic of my House unicorn.

Good luck with the sale! Hopefully it brings more attention to the "key card" in the 1952 topps set

[BillyC_KY]

My card just came back from PSA where I tried to get it crossed over. They refused to give it a yellow Tiger variation. I don’t know how my card got out the door if SGC won’t grade yours. I think PSA didn’t want to mess up the registry with this new addition IMO. If it was your card Ted or Zach what would you do with the card?

[irv]

Originally Posted by BillyC_KY

My card just came back from PSA where I tried to get it crossed over. They refused to give it a yellow Tiger variation. I don’t know how my card got out the door if SGC won’t grade yours. I think PSA didn’t want to mess up the registry with this new addition IMO. If it was your card Ted or Zach what would you do with the card?

Was a reason given as to why, Billy?

[Republicaninmass]

Psa told me I could opt for either yellow tiger or gray back. They wouldn't add both. No reason given.


Sgc told me they only distinguish red/black backs, not gray backs.


Both are true stories

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Psa told me I could opt for either yellow tiger or gray back. They wouldn't add both. No reason given.


Sgc told me they only distinguish red/black backs, not gray backs.


Both are true stories

Ted, this explains a lot. I did not know that.

Irv, I probably would keep it raw. If I had to make a choice between grading companies I would go with PSA and have it slabbed as a House - Yellow Tiger since that distinction over the gray back is more subjective. The gray back "yellow tiger" can't have any red on the tongue or anywhere else on the tiger, as you know and should not have a green tint on the neck. The cream back House - yellow tiger with green tint on the neck seems to be more commonly found, than without the green tint. The gray back House, yellow tiger appears to be found only without the green tint on neck - but so few exist I am not positive.

However, the standards for grading a House with yellow tiger have not been consistently applied at PSA. I have seen some House - yellow tiger cards with slight shades of red on the tongue.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Ted, this explains a lot. I did not know that.

Irv, I probably would keep it raw. If I had to make a choice between grading companies I would go with PSA and have it slabbed as a House - Yellow Tiger since that distinction over the gray back is more subjective. The "yellow tiger" can't have any red on the tongue or anywhere else, as you know and should not have a green tint on the neck. The House with yellow tiger with green tint on the neck seems to be more commonly found, than without the green tint. The gray back House, yellow tiger appears to be found only without the green tint on neck - but so few exist I am not positive.

However, the standards for grading a House with yellow tiger have not been consistently applied at PSA. I have seen some House - yellow tiger cards with slight shades of red on the tongue.

Hi Mike!

I can always hope for registry purposes PSA realizes this should be added to the Super set.

Au contraire monfreir...the Absence of red on the tongue is WHY the neck appears green! if you look under a loupe, you will see the dot pattern is missing the red ink around the tiger and then up towards the neck.

The house SOLID yellow No green is an error, as it was printed this way on the sheet

The house WITH green is a variation, print defect, or man made error as ( I believe) the red was deliberately removed to match the other Tiger on the sheet. It would have been a slow process of stoning off the red mask, and this is why, over the print run, the tiger has less and less red with some (I will call it bleeding) onto his throat.

Since (IMO) the gray backs were printed first, we only have either solid yellow or perfect red. Somewhere along the lines, they decided to try and match the tigers, and it would have been too difficult to just add the red to the yellow tiger, so they starting removing the red from the other one on the sheet.

If you look at the two versions under a loupe the card with no green throat still has the red dot pattern, but the green throat version is missing the red "pixels" for lack of a better term.

I hope that early AM rant is coherent...enough

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by BillyC_KY

My card just came back from PSA where I tried to get it crossed over. They refused to give it a yellow Tiger variation. I don’t know how my card got out the door if SGC won’t grade yours. I think PSA didn’t want to mess up the registry with this new addition IMO. If it was your card Ted or Zach what would you do with the card?

Nice card Billy. Wish I had one.