Paul Skenes Superfractor Ends in Goldin

Carter08 · #1 07-18-2024, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

I'd do it fast before his elbow explodes and he doesn't step onto a major league field for a year.

Hopefully that doesn�t happen. Hope you would agree. He�s great for baseball.

Lucas00 · #2 07-18-2024, 08:59 PM

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Hopefully that doesn�t happen. Hope you would agree. He�s great for baseball.

Of course I hope it doesn�t happen. But how long can you throw 100mph for as a starter before it does? It feels inevitable to me.

Carter08 · #3 07-18-2024, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00

Of course I hope it doesn�t happen. But how long can you throw 100mph for as a starter before it does? It feels inevitable to me.

I�m not a doctor but I play one on television. Just kidding. I do echo others that think he looks pretty effortless in the way he throws, and his pre-game stretching and workouts are getting a lot of press. Hopefully he�s an exception.

maniac_73 · #4 07-18-2024, 11:07 PM

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Of course I hope it doesn�t happen. But how long can you throw 100mph for as a starter before it does? It feels inevitable to me.

Verlander did a pretty good job adjusting when he couldn't throw 100 anymore. Velocity was calculated differently back in the day but Nolan RYan threw 100 consistently as a starter. I think throwing mechanics and luck are more of a factor in injury than how fast someone throws.

Lucas00 · #5 07-18-2024, 11:51 PM

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Verlander did a pretty good job adjusting when he couldn't throw 100 anymore. Velocity was calculated differently back in the day but Nolan RYan threw 100 consistently as a starter. I think throwing mechanics and luck are more of a factor in injury than how fast someone throws.

And I hope Paul is one of these outliers as well. Like Nolan and Randy. But I think Statistically it's too dicey to take a several hundred thousand dollar risk (talking about the card). Then again like people always say, if you have that much to spend on a single card you probably don't care that much or can take a loss without much care. What I hope, the buyer is a collector and fan of Paul, and will never sell it.

maniac_73 · #6 07-19-2024, 12:47 AM

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And I hope Paul is one of these outliers as well. Like Nolan and Randy. But I think Statistically it's too dicey to take a several hundred thousand dollar risk (talking about the card). Then again like people always say, if you have that much to spend on a single card you probably don't care that much or can take a loss without much care. What I hope, the buyer is a collector and fan of Paul, and will never sell it.

Forgot about the big unit! I agree though that speculating a few hundred grand on a rookie is insanity!

D. Bergin · #7 07-19-2024, 11:11 AM

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Forgot about the big unit! I agree though that speculating a few hundred grand on a rookie is insanity!

What's crazy about Randy Johnson, is nobody would have ever "invested" in him to begin with.

He was an unheralded 2nd round pick with a mediocre minor league career. A live arm for sure, but with really bad control issues.

His first several years as a starter he struck out a ton of guys, but had a horrible problems with Walks, and sported some atrocious WHIP numbers.

The same could be said of Nolan Ryan, but Nolan came out of it at a much younger age then Randy.

Johnson didn't even begin to become dominating until he was almost 30, which by then "investors" would think it's a complete waste of time putting money into a guy who has to crawl out of a giant statistical hole to one day be considered one of the best pitchers to ever live.

That would be like, all of a sudden, deciding to invest in Cliff Lee Rookie cards in 2008.

Even, with all that said. Considering the numbers he eventually compiled throughout his career. I don't see a lot of general interest in Randy Johnson Rookie cards.

Beercan collector · #8 07-19-2024, 11:26 AM

The last Rookie I speculated in was 90 leaf Steve Avery ,
$20 I�ll never get back

bnorth · #9 07-19-2024, 11:28 AM

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What's crazy about Randy Johnson, is nobody would have ever "invested" in him to begin with.

He was an unheralded 2nd round pick with a mediocre minor league career. A live arm for sure, but with really bad control issues.

His first several years as a starter he struck out a ton of guys, but had a horrible problems with Walks, and sported some atrocious WHIP numbers.

The same could be said of Nolan Ryan, but Nolan came out of it at a much younger age then Randy.

Johnson didn't even begin to become dominating until he was almost 30, which by then "investors" would think it's a complete waste of time putting money into a guy who has to crawl out of a giant statistical hole to one day be considered one of the best pitchers to ever live.

That would be like, all of a sudden, deciding to invest in Cliff Lee Rookie cards in 2008.

Even, with all that said. Considering the numbers he eventually compiled throughout his career. I don't see a lot of general interest in Randy Johnson Rookie cards.

You can't give most Randy Johnson cards away. There are a few 89 Fleer versions that sell for 4 and 5 figures. Not sure why but I never hear of any Randy collectors besides the ones that collect the 89 Fleer error versions.

Snowman · #10 07-21-2024, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What's crazy about Randy Johnson, is nobody would have ever "invested" in him to begin with.

He was an unheralded 2nd round pick with a mediocre minor league career. A live arm for sure, but with really bad control issues.

His first several years as a starter he struck out a ton of guys, but had a horrible problems with Walks, and sported some atrocious WHIP numbers.

The same could be said of Nolan Ryan, but Nolan came out of it at a much younger age then Randy.

Johnson didn't even begin to become dominating until he was almost 30, which by then "investors" would think it's a complete waste of time putting money into a guy who has to crawl out of a giant statistical hole to one day be considered one of the best pitchers to ever live.

That would be like, all of a sudden, deciding to invest in Cliff Lee Rookie cards in 2008.

Even, with all that said. Considering the numbers he eventually compiled throughout his career. I don't see a lot of general interest in Randy Johnson Rookie cards.

Nolan Ryan's first sub 1.10 whip didn't happen until he was 42 years old. Randy's came at 31.

Snowman · #11 07-21-2024, 12:48 PM

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Of course I hope it doesn�t happen. But how long can you throw 100mph for as a starter before it does? It feels inevitable to me.

Haven't you heard though? Walter Johnson was throwing 105 for 200 pitches per night, every other night, for twenty years.

Lucas00 · #12 07-21-2024, 02:47 PM

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Haven't you heard though? Walter Johnson was throwing 105 for 200 pitches per night, every other night, for twenty years.

Obviously satire. But the generational Great longevity pitchers exist. Walter, Christy, Sandy, Spahn, Nolan, Johnson, etc. It is possible.

I love the argument of people saying Walter Johnson threw something like 80mph. It's hilarious. Every human male in the United States wanted to be a baseball player, most of them played on town and factory teams. To think throwing 90+ is impossible for the time is laughable. Sure the majority were probably only slinging in the 80s max. But the outliers are obvious, and the player accounts are incredibly numerous of what Walter and Joe Wood did. (Joe probably blew out his arm as one of the earliest examples of what throwing really hard does to the arm). Walter did not throw close to 100. That's a fact, I'd say maybe 95 could've been Walters fastest pitch ever.

There is a common factor to this longevity though. Tall pitchers with long sweeping, very elastic deliveries (barring Nolan, I have zero clue how he pitched so long like that). Is it a coincidence, maybe. But Paul is tall and his delivery is a bit like the sweep of a right handed Randy Johnson.

We shall see.

Exhibitman · #13 07-21-2024, 03:21 PM

Nolan worked his ass off in the gym. That documentary on him went into it in some detail.

Peter_Spaeth · #14 07-21-2024, 04:52 PM

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Nolan worked his ass off in the gym. That documentary on him went into it in some detail.

He also had beautiful mechanics.
Obviously there is some concern with Skenes', e.g. Curt Schilliing.

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