Some autos I won at a local auction for $10

[Duluth Eskimo]

Photo is a fake.

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Photo is a fake.

It's not a photo, it is an art print that apparently came in two different sizes. It is however printed on photo paper.

[rand1com]

The Mantle, Mays, and Snider autographs are bad forgeries. Makes no difference photo or print.

The baseball is tougher to tell as the picture is blurred. It could be authentic but would need a clear picture to be sure.

[Exhibitman]

All forged.

[Bpm0014]

You spent $9 too much...

[keithsky]

Red flag would be that you got it for $5.

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by keithsky

Red flag would be that you got it for $5.

This was the same auction where I have gotten countless real deal autos, Al Simmons team signed red sox for $7, Hank Aaron for $3, and many more. Not to mention the probably 1/4 million in stuff I have sold that I have won at the same auction over the last 15 years of going every week. So it would not have surprised me to get them so cheap.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bullgill

It's not a photo, it is an art print that apparently came in two different sizes. It is however printed on photo paper.

ink jet printing on photo paper didn't exist in Mantle's lifetime. So even if the autographs weren't terrible, it's fake.

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

ink jet printing on photo paper didn't exist in Mantle's lifetime. So even if the autographs weren't terrible, it's fake.

He died in 1995, all of these guys signed stuff well into the 1980's. That is why they have so much stuff that they signed. Inkjet printing was invented in the 70's probably by polaroid. see above, the same photo signed by all three and certified by JSA.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

ink jet printing on photo paper didn't exist in Mantle's lifetime. So even if the autographs weren't terrible, it's fake.

There is no reason facts should get in the way of a sale for profit. Like the OP said they can find a sucker, wait I mean a complete moron, no that wasn't it either, oh yes a collector willing to take a chance at $100 for a nice profit because really that is all that matters.

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by bnorth

There is no reason facts should get in the way of a sale for profit. Like the OP said they can find a sucker, wait I mean a complete moron, no that wasn't it either, oh yes a collector willing to take a chance at $100 for a nice profit because really that is all that matters.

If you read what I posted, I am not in the business of duping people. I have not had a return or negative feedback on ebay for at least 10 years of selling everything from antiques to modern. This is the main reason why I want to send these sigs in for authentication. Not just for monetary reasons but for integrity. I have posted this for honest opinions and only received negativity with no explanations. This is not an obvious fake in my opinion, there are several examples of authenticated pieces of the same photo and would like an explanation as to why these seem like a forgery. If I can get at least some explanation as to why they are forgeries I will toss them in the trash. The photo is an original 1986 glossy print on photo paper. Just as this one that was JSA certified. https://showpiecessports.com/collect...o-with-jsa-coa

[Klrdds]

The signatures are not good . The best and easiest evidence for an explanation in order to keep it simple is simply to compare your photo’s signatures to the ones on the link you last posted of that item with the JSA cert . Anyone comparing them can easily see the signature discrepancies between your piece and the JSA certed one . The differences are glaring and easily discerned .

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

The signatures are not good . The best and easiest evidence for an explanation in order to keep it simple is simply to compare your photo’s signatures to the ones on the link you last posted of that item with the JSA cert . Anyone comparing them can easily see the signature discrepancies between your piece and the JSA certed one . The differences are glaring and easily discerned .

when you sign a check, does it look identical every time?

I want a real deal explanation on why these do not stack up. The pen used is my biggest concern followed by the Mays sig that is unusual but within perimeters, except for I can not find the W in Willie that looks like that.

[bullgill]

To my eyes, these are fake.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/35584543586...Bk9SR8iy_LOaZA

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36495774409...Bk9SR8qy_LOaZA

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31513296627...Bk9SR8qy_LOaZA

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

ink jet printing on photo paper didn't exist in Mantle's lifetime. So even if the autographs weren't terrible, it's fake.

Here is a photo from 1989, clearly inkjet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36495530584...Bk9SR-ae5bWaZA

[Lordstan]

IMO, the litho is not good. Why? Because there are things about the autos that look off. Most people on the forum will not go into details as to why for a couple reasons.
1) No one wants to educate scammers on how to make their forgeries better
(not saying you a scammer, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think scammers watch sites like this, and others, to get tips on how to make their scams work better.)
2) No one wants to get into an argument with someone about about their opinion on an auto. If I say, I don't like the slant on a letter, then someone else chimes in they like it and now there is a back and forth about it. It's been done in the past. It's gotten messy and after a time, we just stopped doing it.

As Kevin pointed out, there are multiple differences between the good ones you posted and yours.

We each have our reasons for saying what we do. You can either trust the expertise of those here or not. No one here owes anyone else an explanation. Heck, even if you send to PSA and they fail it, they wont give you any explanation other than their standard form letter about flow, pressure, formation, etc.
It really shouldn't be a shock for someone to question why you are sending it in after pretty much everyone chimed in that it was bad. I guess it would make more sense to us if you got mixed opinions and waned a tie breaker. I am sure you can see why it might come off a little insulting to have everyone give he same opinion and then you disregard it.

Also, Just remember, that PSA does not certify or guarantee an item is authentic. They offer opinions only, just like us. Even then, you have no idea who actually is giving it. Is it a kid who just got hired 6 months ago or someone with 20yrs experience? No one knows.

BTW, I agree with you, the three you posted in that single message yesterday are all bad.

[doug.goodman]

Mark -

The OP, possibly the Ponce de Leon of autograph collectors, has 56 posts on the forum going back 10 years and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is a question asking for help about the identity or value of an autograph he has picked up at some mysterious auction that I assume is based in St. Augustine, FL.

We seem to have a number of his ilk on the forum these days, causing me to learn that with five easy keystrokes I can block them and never be subjected to their posts ever again.

A tutorial :
Click on his name
Click "view public profile"
Click "user lists"
Click "Add to Ignore List"
Click "Yes"

Done

Easy.

Doug "full name added after bad mouthing a member" Goodman



PS - hehehehe I said 'member'...which is a euphemism for, oh nevermind

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Mark -

The OP, possibly the Ponce de Leon of autograph collectors, has 56 posts on the forum going back 10 years and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is a question asking for help about the identity or value of an autograph he has picked up at some mysterious auction that I assume is based in St. Augustine, FL.

We seem to have a number of his ilk on the forum these days, causing me to learn that with five easy keystrokes I can block them and never be subjected to their posts ever again.

A tutorial :
Click on his name
Click "view public profile"
Click "user lists"
Click "Add to Ignore List"
Click "Yes"

Done

Easy.

Doug "full name added after bad mouthing a member" Goodman



PS - hehehehe I said 'member'...which is a euphemism for, oh nevermind

Doug "Thanks for the info" Goodman

[balltrash]

While this may appear, for some reason, to be on inkjet paper - it is not. These prints were done on heavy stock paper and are typically larger however someone trimmed this one down to a size which would allow for it to fit in a PSA holder.

Originally Posted by bullgill

Here is a photo from 1989, clearly inkjet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36495530584...Bk9SR-ae5bWaZA

[doug.goodman]

The best thing about this thread, for me, is that I have blocked bullshit (I think that's his name, right?) so I am unable to see his posts, and seeing the "This user is on your Ignore List" note makes me smile

[Republicaninmass]

Serious note

Everyone and their brother knows "you can make money selling sports collectibles."

There is not one auction where there isn't at least one person willing to take a risk. This post proves it. Had there been an underbidder, or even a shill, this would have gone higher on the allure "one could be real".

The advent of ebay, news stories real and fake, online auction platforms etc have made it 99% impossible for any items to go unnoticed. More so for a novice collector.

So take this advice, as I put in my 2 cents, it's worth what you paid for it .

It's hard to cheat an honest man
If its too good to be true, it probably isn't.


And all the others you've heard your whole life

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The best thing about this thread, for me, is that I have blocked bullshit (I think that's his name, right?) so I am unable to see his posts, and seeing the "This user is on your Ignore List" note makes me smile

The block feature is a beautiful thing. Be nice to have one in real life.

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by balltrash

While this may appear, for some reason, to be on inkjet paper - it is not. These prints were done on heavy stock paper and are typically larger however someone trimmed this one down to a size which would allow for it to fit in a PSA holder.

Thank you for the info.