Some autos I won at a local auction for $10

[robw1959]

The Mantle and Mays signatures look pretty good to me. Here is my Mike Baker authenticated 8X10 glossy photo of them for comparison.

[bullgill]

I'm going to send both of these into psa/dna and wish for the best. I'll let you all know how it goes.

[Fballguy]

I'm so glad I don't collect autographs.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

I'm so glad I don't collect autographs.

+1 I am so glad I sold the majority of mine when the signed T206 scandal hit and no longer buy any.

[gonefishin]

Hi there. Just wondering why you ask the forum for their opinion and everyone said "No Good", and you're still sending to PSA? Why ask for the opinion? Is it to prove everyone wrong or just hoping for the best?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

Hi there. Just wondering why you ask the forum for their opinion and everyone said "No Good", and you're still sending to PSA? Why ask for the opinion? Is it to prove everyone wrong or just hoping for the best?

cause he likes to burn money and has a "listening to others that know more" problem.

[bullgill]

Wow, did not mean to upset anybody. Apologies if I did! I respect this forum and it has been a good asset over the years.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by bnorth

+1 I am so glad I sold the majority of mine when the signed T206 scandal hit and no longer buy any.

Not trying to be a contrarian here, and no question caution is required when collecting autographs. BUT...how many fake signed t206s got past SGC, wasn't it on the order of a dozen or so and a couple more from PSA? Whatever it was, in the total universe of authenticated autographs, I think the applicable phrase might be negligible bordering on infinitesimal, so I don't see how that would sour anybody on one of the great hobbies in the world. Maybe if you were one of those victimized, but even so it wouldn't seem to be on the level of buying a house with plumbing that all had to be replaced, so you're never going to buy another house? No, you'll learn a lesson and move on, that's all.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Not trying to be a contrarian here, and no question caution is required when collecting autographs. BUT...how many fake signed t206s got past SGC, wasn't it on the order of a dozen or so and a couple more from PSA? Whatever it was, in the total universe of authenticated autographs, I think the applicable phrase might be negligible bordering on infinitesimal, so I don't see how that would sour anybody on one of the great hobbies in the world. Maybe if you were one of those victimized, but even so it wouldn't seem to be on the level of buying a house with plumbing that all had to be replaced, so you're never going to buy another house? No, you'll learn a lesson and move on, that's all.

I didn't have a very big collection. I am not a fan of grading in any form unless I am selling something. I honestly didn't want to put in the time to learn to be confidant in my own judgement to buy more. So for me I just sold most of what I had and have never looked back.

[rjackson44]

these look like autos that are sold in malls at the back of the sporting goods store. one more horrible then the other

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I didn't have a very big collection. I am not a fan of grading in any form unless I am selling something. I honestly didn't want to put in the time to learn to be confidant in my own judgement to buy more. So for me I just sold most of what I had and have never looked back.

Sure, that makes sense in that we all make our judgements about what we want to put our money into collecting and what we don't, i.e., what does it for us and what doesn't. My point was just that for those for whom autographs do it, the advent of grading by top experts is a godsend that assures a degree of reliability approaching certainty. The difference in the value of graded versus ungraded examples demonstrates conclusively where the market stands on the issue.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by robw1959

The Mantle and Mays signatures look pretty good to me. Here is my Mike Baker authenticated 8X10 glossy photo of them for comparison.

you know better Rob, LOL...

To the OP,

From the Fake Mike Baker Collection. We haven't had to roll that one out for quite a while. Not as good as the "Pork chop finger pointing version" from the same wonderful collection.

Why does the chimpanzee want to waste 100 doll hairs when they are clearly fake? How about studying Mantle for a few weeks and coming to your own EASY decision. Stop it already.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by robw1959

The Mantle and Mays signatures look pretty good to me. Here is my Mike Baker authenticated 8X10 glossy photo of them for comparison.

FYI, This is a forgery too.

[WhatsNext]

If you really need a detailed explanation on why the original photo is fake (I suspect the OP does not actually care and will try to resell this trash regardless), there are a couple of easy tells, including:

1. The 'a' in Mantle has an open loop which authentic signatures never have.

2. The Snider signature is incredibly shaky and slow - you can see where the forger stopped and started (he was probably inexperienced with imitating Snider).

3. The Mays is a style employed commonly by forgers and doesn't match the style of signature Mr. Mays commonly used in the 90s when this would have been signed. Also, it would have been somewhat unusual for Mays to stack his first and last names on a photo instead of signing in a straight line, that style is more common on cards and items with limited space.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by WhatsNext

If you really need a detailed explanation on why the original photo is fake (I suspect the OP does not actually care and will try to resell this trash regardless), there are a couple of easy tells, including:

1. The 'a' in Mantle has an open loop which authentic signatures never have.

2. The Snider signature is incredibly shaky and slow - you can see where the forger stopped and started (he was probably inexperienced with imitating Snider).

3. The Mays is a style employed commonly by forgers and doesn't match the style of signature Mr. Mays commonly used in the 90s when this would have been signed. Also, it would have been somewhat unusual for Mays to stack his first and last names on a photo instead of signing in a straight line, that style is more common on cards and items with limited space.

Yep already said that was his plan in post 10.

[bullgill]

Originally Posted by WhatsNext

If you really need a detailed explanation on why the original photo is fake (I suspect the OP does not actually care and will try to resell this trash regardless), there are a couple of easy tells, including:

1. The 'a' in Mantle has an open loop which authentic signatures never have.

2. The Snider signature is incredibly shaky and slow - you can see where the forger stopped and started (he was probably inexperienced with imitating Snider).

3. The Mays is a style employed commonly by forgers and doesn't match the style of signature Mr. Mays commonly used in the 90s when this would have been signed. Also, it would have been somewhat unusual for Mays to stack his first and last names on a photo instead of signing in a straight line, that style is more common on cards and items with limited space.

That is valuable information, probably saved me a couple bucks.