Safeguards at shows

[Johnny630]

My number one proposal for extra security measures would be for all attendees of these major shows to produce an official government photo ID, driver's license/passport, and or VA card. Doing this would be an added cost-effective security measure that would be able to identify everyone who has made entry into the show. I would also utilize a timestamp.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

My number one proposal for extra security measures would be for all attendees of these major shows to produce an official government photo ID, driver's license/passport, and or VA card. Doing this would be an added cost-effective security measure that would be able to identify everyone who has made entry into the show. I would also utilize a timestamp.

No thanks.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

My number one proposal for extra security measures would be for all attendees of these major shows to produce an official government photo ID, driver's license/passport, and or VA card. Doing this would be an added cost-effective security measure that would be able to identify everyone who has made entry into the show. I would also utilize a timestamp.

When you say produce an ID, do you also mean that the show would keep a record of everyone who was there? If so, I can imagine that would discourage a lot of people who want to protect their privacy from attending.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by jayshum

When you say produce an ID, do you also mean that the show would keep a record of everyone who was there? If so, I can imagine that would discourage a lot of people who want to protect their privacy from attending.

Yes, I do. That’s up to them if they wanna attend or not I think it’s a good idea for the big shows. That’s just me. I feel like it’s worth it. Everyone knows your identity on here or if you bid an auction or purchase from someone online, I don’t see what the differences really. Ultimately, it’s up to them. When you get a pass to enter the show, you also have your name on the pass typed out in bold. Doesn’t seem to stop the attendance at that show one bit.

At the Long Beach coin and expo show you have to produce ID. Also, all of the dealers and their employees wear a pictured photograph ID. I think it’s a great idea.

[slightlyrounded]

Not sure I like the ID requirement, but having a visible face-level camera at entry points would be a great way to identify any criminals that do show up. Dallas camera angles left a lot to be desired.

[ClementeFanOh]

The recent group of messages above mine, in regard to producing ID,
illustrates my earlier question about how far people are willing to go truly to
enhance security. One way to have a good idea about who is
attending a show is-wait for it- actually knowing their identities! Yet some
people balk... That's the rub. For some, the thought seems to be that
enhanced security is just wonderful so long as that person doesn't have to
take part. Talk about a sticky wicket! Trent King

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Yes, I do. That’s up to them if they wanna attend or not I think it’s a good idea for the big shows. That’s just me. I feel like it’s worth it. Everyone knows your identity on here or if you bid an auction or purchase from someone online, I don’t see what the differences really. Ultimately, it’s up to them. When you get a pass to enter the show, you also have your name on the pass typed out in bold. Doesn’t seem to stop the attendance at that show one bit.

At the Long Beach coin and expo show you have to produce ID. Also, all of the dealers and their employees wear a pictured photograph ID. I think it’s a great idea.

Access to that information would be like a Sears Christmas Wishbook for thieves.

[Jewish-collector]

How about the best camera money can buy taking a picture of everyone exiting the building during setup & breakdown ? So, in this situation, they would have clear pictures of these thieves.

[ClementeFanOh]

SteveB- I’m afraid I disagree completely with your remark that showing ID to a show employee, would be like giving a Christmas list to thieves. The show employer/ID person is the least of someone’s worries at a card show. And a name and photo that matches the attendee, isn’t vital or sensitive information. I get it that some people just don’t want others to know who they are- even when they are legitimate in their attendance. I also know that resistance to something so basic is exactly the kind of thing that makes it difficult to provide the “better security” most people want. It won’t come without cost. The question the individual would need to answer within, is if showing a photo ID is actually a “cost”. Trent King

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

SteveB- I’m afraid I disagree completely with your remark that showing ID to a show employee, would be like giving a Christmas list to thieves. The show employer/ID person is the least of someone’s worries at a card show. And a name and photo that matches the attendee, isn’t vital or sensitive information. I get it that some people just don’t want others to know who they are- even when they are legitimate in their attendance. I also know that resistance to something so basic is exactly the kind of thing that makes it difficult to provide the “better security” most people want. It won’t come without cost. The question the individual would need to answer within, is if showing a photo ID is actually a “cost”. Trent King

I have to understand Steve's position here. The likely level of security for this documentation would be at an amateur's level. A low level hacker would likely be able to access if in the odd case they were unlikely to buy access to the information from a low paid security or data employee of the event. Thus providing not just names and photos, but home addresses of thousands of collectors that more than likely have collectables on premise. Let's be realistic, without documenting the license information in some way what does it really do at all? Are the weekend employees at the door of the National going to be able to memorize the information of 10s of thousands of visitors? It would need to be on a database for reference or it's complete waste of time...and that is a goldmine for information sales. The promoters would sell that attendee list to every auction house in the hobby the next week and then leave another million security holes.

I am sure I'll get massacred for even bringing it up, but if a huge percentage of the country is voting to state that simply asking for a federal or state photo ID to prove you can legally vote or even are who you say you are is somehow way over the line. What is the slightest chance that you can legally ask and document identification to enter a baseball card show if challenged?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

SteveB- I’m afraid I disagree completely with your remark that showing ID to a show employee, would be like giving a Christmas list to thieves. The show employer/ID person is the least of someone’s worries at a card show. And a name and photo that matches the attendee, isn’t vital or sensitive information. I get it that some people just don’t want others to know who they are- even when they are legitimate in their attendance. I also know that resistance to something so basic is exactly the kind of thing that makes it difficult to provide the “better security” most people want. It won’t come without cost. The question the individual would need to answer within, is if showing a photo ID is actually a “cost”. Trent King

Showing an ID isn't a problem. Hopefully they have enough ticket/door staff to handle it.

When they start saving that data anywhere is when it becomes a security concern. Even a temporary list of attendees with their address is something a house breaker would probably be very interested in.
Include the full drivers license info or full info from all Ids, and it's not only a catalog of who might have cards or other stuff worth stealing, and when they will be out -obviously the next show- but a list that's saleable in many ways, many of them illegal.

And if you don't save the ID info even temporarily? I have no idea what value the fact that you'd looked at IDs would have to someone investigating a crime.
Nothing but meaningless security theater.

Yes, I do slightly worry about the door prize slips you fill out for a mailing list to be sent a notice about the next show, but you can usually opt out of putting your physical address.