Every slabbed card has a story, don't it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They clean cards and remove stains. They don't, at least to my knowledge, trim, recolor, or rebuild corners or anything like that.

We're just quibbling over our differences of the definition of "altered". I am using the definition that the grading companies use in practice, which is that cleaned cards and soaked cards are acceptable and will receive numeric grades if they are cleaned properly. They all allow cleaned cards. Just look at the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of cards with white borders and beat-to-hell corners and other obvious significant surface wear that are graded as numeric. Those graders aren't stupid. You can't get a beat-up-looking card with white borders without cleaning it. Yet, they allow it. Every time. What they don't allow is a card with some soap scum on it or one that looks like it lost a 12-round title fight with a jug of Clorox.

That's not an answer to my question. Why are you calling them "card doctors" if you don't think they're doctoring cards?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's not an answer to my question. Why are you calling them "card doctors" if you don't think they're doctoring cards?

Because I'm not equating "card doctoring" with "altering cards". I think you can "doctor" a card in both acceptable and unacceptable manners.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Because I'm not equating "card doctoring" with "altering cards". I think you can "doctor" a card in both acceptable and unacceptable manners.

Then why did you even mention it in your post? It was obviously meant to be provocative. Plus, you surely know the negative connotation of the term card doctor. So you must consider yourself a card doctor if you're doing acceptable things to cards?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Then why did you even mention it in your post? It was obviously meant to be provocative. Plus, you surely know the negative connotation of the term card doctor. So you must consider yourself a card doctor if you're doing acceptable things to cards?

Someone from Snowman's corner throw in the towel.

[G1911]

I would love to see the evidence that the following are all "notorious card doctors": eBay, Probstein, Heritage, Goldin, REA, Mile High, LotG.

Of course, this won't be done because while there is some truth to a couple of those, the claim is presumably intentionally outrageous and wrong to obfuscate and switch direction away from PWCC, for which this poster frequently shills when he isn't claiming he can read strangers minds and tell their sins because he is a gambler.

Not every claim should be taken seriously.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Someone from Snowman's corner throw in the towel.

Serious question. Do you ever add anything of value to any conversation? Or do you just stick to trolling at all times?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Serious question. Do you ever add anything of value to any conversation? Or do you just stick to trolling at all times?

That is actually a hilarious question coming from you of all the members here, Travis.

By the way, you never answered me what size shirt I should order for you.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by lorewalker

that is actually a hilarious question coming from you of all the members here, travis.

By the way, you never answered me what size shirt i should order for you.

gfy

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

That is actually a hilarious question coming from you of all the members here, Travis.

By the way, you never answered me what size shirt I should order for you.

I find many of his answers extremely hilarious.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Because I'm not equating "card doctoring" with "altering cards". I think you can "doctor" a card in both acceptable and unacceptable manners.

So I guess the word “notorious” is ambiguous as well?


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[CardPadre]

In the near future, a card doctor may simply be someone who heals cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

In the near future, a card doctor may simply be someone who heals cards.

My card took two aspirin and felt fine the next morning.

Me thinks some of those wrinkles on Mays will come back over time. But I don't have any experience with removing creases like that so maybe I am wrong.
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[Peter_Spaeth]

I am sure the defenders and contrarians will defend this. To me, it's just wrong unless disclosed.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am sure the defenders and contrarians will defend this. To me, it's just wrong unless disclosed.

???

You were fine when Jolly soaked his Mays card. With all well-deserved respect, what is the difference here?

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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Leon

My card took two aspirin and felt fine the next morning.

Me thinks some of those wrinkles on Mays will come back over time. But I don't have any experience with removing creases like that so maybe I am wrong.
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They're still there. They didn't go away. The light angle is just different so you can't see them as clearly, and the wrinkles are less severe now that the card has regained some of its shape by introducing moisture. But I guarantee you these creases did not disappear.

In the top photo, the light source is placed parallel to the card surface, which highlights creasing (if you don't do this when self-grading your cards, you should). In the second photo, the light source is above and to the right, which hides the creases.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They're still there. They didn't go away. The light angle is just different so you can't see them as clearly, and the wrinkles are less severe now that the card has regained some of its shape by introducing moisture. But I guarantee you these creases did not disappear.

In the top photo, the light source is placed parallel to the card surface, which highlights creasing (if you don't do this when self-grading your cards, you should). In the second photo, the light source is above and to the right, which hides the creases.

Completely agree.... the differences you see are more a function of lighting and clever photography than Kurt's Card Care. I'd estimate about 75% of the supposed "difference" is positioning of the light source and maybe 25% is the soaking (much of which will revert back over time).