Every slabbed card has a story, don't it?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by jayshum

So every card that doesn't look like it did out of the pack is altered?

If soaking half of a card in a cup of coffee doesn't meet your criteria, then what are we even talking about anymore?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If soaking half of a card in a cup of coffee doesn't meet your criteria, then what are we even talking about anymore?

Damage and alteration are not the same thing.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Damage and alteration are not the same thing.


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Only if you use the longstanding hobby meaning of "altered," which Travis is not using.

[Peter_Spaeth]

From PSA.

The term altered may mean that the card shows evidence of one or more of the following: trimming, recoloring, restoration, and/or cleaning.

Sorry, my contrarian friend, it's the one on the right that's altered, not the one on the left.

Now the cleaning may well be acceptable depending on how it was done, but that's another issue.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From PSA.

The term altered may mean that the card shows evidence of one or more of the following: trimming, recoloring, restoration, and/or cleaning.

Sorry, my contrarian friend, it's the one on the right that's altered, not the one on the left.

Now the cleaning may well be acceptable depending on how it was done, but that's another issue.

"Shows evidence of cleaning" and having been cleaned are not the same thing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

"Shows evidence of cleaning" and having been cleaned are not the same thing.

You could say the same, probably, about any of those categories, but you are missing the point. The hobby defines alteration as intentional changes made to improve the appearance of cards. The card on the left is not altered. A card handled by kids that picked up wear is not altered.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You could say the same, probably, about any of those categories, but you are missing the point. The hobby defines alteration as intentional changes made to improve the appearance of cards. The card on the left is not altered.

Then why does PSA consider a card that was stored in a screwdown holder to be altered?

And why don't they consider a card that was soaked to remove glue and paper from a scrapbook to be altered?

This is my point. Their definitions are completely arbitrary. What is it that we actually care about?