The future of Shohei Ohtani

[packs]

Of all the teams you mentioned ahead of the Yankees only the Astros have won a World Series in the last 30 years.

[Shoeless Moe]

Right, I'm talking about the present time and near future. The Yankees have all these teams to pass. So it's not like they are knocking on the door.

That offense sucks. Surely you can acknowledge that.

[packs]

I’m not saying the current state of the team is good or that the Yankees are having a good season. I’m saying the foundation is there to win. They were in the ALCS last season with a roster that hasn’t changed much. They’re just not producing when healthy combined with not being healthy at all. If Ohtani does want to win and sign a long term deal with a team dedicated to being competitive year after year, the Yankees are a team that fits that mold.

I wouldn’t say the same thing about the Twins, for example.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Red Sox?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

I’m not saying the current state of the team is good or that the Yankees are having a good season. I’m saying the foundation is there to win. They were in the ALCS last season with a roster that hasn’t changed much. They’re just not producing when healthy combined with not being healthy at all. If Ohtani does want to win and sign a long term deal with a team dedicated to being competitive year after year, the Yankees are a team that fits that mold.

I wouldn’t say the same thing about the Twins, for example.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

How'd that work out for Gerritt Cole?

4 years with the Yankees so far, ZERO World Series appearances.

Had he re-signed with Houston, he'd be a Champion, and have 2 WS appearances. Possibly a 3rd this year.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by packs

I’m not saying the current state of the team is good or that the Yankees are having a good season. I’m saying the foundation is there to win. They were in the ALCS last season with a roster that hasn’t changed much. They’re just not producing when healthy combined with not being healthy at all. If Ohtani does want to win and sign a long term deal with a team dedicated to being competitive year after year, the Yankees are a team that fits that mold.

I wouldn’t say the same thing about the Twins, for example.

I think the Yankees biggest faults are that their player development system needs to be revamped, and that they failed to address pressing needs in the off-season. Yes the re-signing of Aaron Judge was fantastic as he's a great ballplayer, but the writing was on the wall with Donaldson at third base, and they failed to address the need in Left Field.

Too much of the front office has been in power for too long. I think Cashman is a somewhat competent GM, his blunders are magnified due to the poor performance of this year, but I still think he's capable. However change is needed. People in the same situation for too long, grow too complacent. The Yankees should be banging down the door to speak to guys like James Click, Theo Epstien and Rob Neander. We're a team that's worth 8 Billion dollars, use your resources to bolster front office, and player development. It's unacceptable that we struggle to develop quality talent, and prospect hug the hell out of guys, until they're no longer valuable.

In my honest opinion though, Hal Steinbrenner is nothing like his father. Yes George was impulsive and hot headed, but he wanted to win. His impulsiveness was weighed down, most of the time, when he was surrounded by competent individuals such as Bob Watson, Gene Michael and a Younger Brian Cashman. Who were able to make good baseball decisions, and able to talk George out of making certain moves most of the time. Some pleas fell on deaf ears, such as when Cashman wanted Vlad Guerrero over Gary Sheffield, only for George to overrule him. Despite all of that though, when the Yankees didn't do well, George would make heads roll. Hal seems very content, utilizing the Yankees as a brand, and fielding a roster that's just good enough to make the playoffs.

[Shoeless Moe]

I'm gonna revise my statement and say maybe Ohtani could head to NY, but to the Mets.

I see what they did last night, Japanese Heritage Night.

Senga on the team, could also be a selling point.

Injury now is a blessing for the Mets. Other teams will offer less. Mets will write a blank check.

Baseball players in general are not very smart (look at Trout), they will take the most money then later regret not going to a place where they could win. Or be fooled like Cole into a sense you are going somewhere better, living in the past (& past reputation) rather then present.

So Mets very well could overpay and his agent who cares about his own check, will encourage that as well.

Tell him in 2025 when fully healthy we'll sign Bregman and a few others.

I think this injury really will help the Mets.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I'm gonna revise my statement and say maybe Ohtani could head to NY, but to the Mets.

I see what they did last night, Japanese Heritage Night.

Senga on the team, could also be a selling point.

Injury now is a blessing for the Mets. Other teams will offer less. Mets will write a blank check.

Baseball players in general are not very smart (look at Trout), they will take the most money then later regret not going to a place where they could win. Or be fooled like Cole into a sense you are going somewhere better, living in the past (& past reputation) rather then present.

So Mets very well could overpay and his agent who cares about his own check, will encourage that as well.

Tell him in 2025 when fully healthy we'll sign Bregman and a few others.

I think this injury really will help the Mets.

The Mets are also a likely destination for current Japanese star Yoshinobu Yamamoto, which couldn't hurt their case (unless he and Ohtani don't like each other or something).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ohtani in the lineup tonight.

[cgjackson222]

The Mets fans booed tonight when Othani walked. That never happens.

Also, this sign:

[bk400]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The Mets fans booed tonight when Othani walked. That never happens.

Also, this sign:

I tell you, Ohtani is the anti-Neymar (mixing sports metaphors). Not a hint of whining or self pity. Since the injury three days ago, he's gone 3 for 5, with two doubles, a triple, and 4 walks (2 intentional).

I think he stays with the Angels, and I reiterate my unprovable belief that he made the decision before the trade deadline.

[DocScoot]

Thanks for that sign :-) My wife isn't a baseball fan but speaks and reads Japanese fluently so these signs are always good bonding moments when I ask her to translate!

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The Mets fans booed tonight when Othani walked. That never happens.

Also, this sign: