Willie Mays

[cgjackson222]

In REA's auction last night a '51 Bowman Mays SGC 3 sold for $24,600, almost $7K higher than a '51 Bowman Mantle PSA 4.

Strong price for the Mays, which sold for higher than a'51 Bowman Mays SGC 6 in the same auction, and a relatively weak price for the Mantle. Not sure if this is just an outlier, or if Mays is actually closing the gap with Mantle, but you don't see a Mays Rookie outsell a Mantle of a higher grade often.

[h2oya311]

At first glance and without fully inspecting the card, that Mays “3” looks like an “8” and the Mantle “4” looks like, well, a “4”. So not entirely an apples-to-apples in this “case”.

[Bpm0014]

Mays game used bat I recently purchased. Adirondack. Mid to late 60’s.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

In REA's auction last night a '51 Bowman Mays SGC 3 sold for $24,600, almost $7K higher than a '51 Bowman Mantle PSA 4.

Strong price for the Mays, which sold for higher than a'51 Bowman Mays SGC 6 in the same auction, and a relatively weak price for the Mantle. Not sure if this is just an outlier, or if Mays is actually closing the gap with Mantle, but you don't see a Mays Rookie outsell a Mantle of a higher grade often.

Someone is gonna work some magic and get this into a 6 or better holder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Someone is gonna work some magic and get this into a 6 or better holder.

Yeah would like to see the bidder IDs on that one.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah would like to see the bidder IDs on that one.

Could be a third party who hires people.. who knows where it would lead. Peter is it me or does his face look out of focus??

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Could be a third party who hires people.. who knows where it would lead. Peter is it me or does his face look out of focus??

The registration is way off. Pretty much everything, including his face is out of focus.

[jsfriedm]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The registration is way off. Pretty much everything, including his face is out of focus.

+1 I wouldn't take that card for 1/10th of the price. Registration is the first thing any card needs to have.

[Scocs]

Has anyone determined what the small “paper flaw” on that 51 Bowman SGC 3 Mays is — surface wrinkle? Other?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Could be a third party who hires people.. who knows where it would lead. Peter is it me or does his face look out of focus??

Looks good to me. The 51 and 52B Mays can sometimes give that initial appearance for some reason, but if you look closely you don't see any print shift or stray color in the eyes or any other signs of a print problem. For example

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Could be a third party who hires people.. who knows where it would lead. Peter is it me or does his face look out of focus??

Below is a side-by-side of the '51 Bowman Mays SGC 3 sold last night in REA on the left, and one that is in focus on the right.

Look at the outline of the jersey and how there are double-lines. Also, his eye has extra lines.

But hey, it was dead-centered.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Subtle, but nice catch. To me even the one you call focused has an initial slightly out of focus appearance for some reason.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Below is side-by-side picture of the '51 Bowman Mays SGC 3 sold last night in REA on the left, and one that is in focus on the right.

Look at the outline of the jersey and how there are double-lines. Also, his eye has extra lines.

But hey, it was dead-centered.

Slightly OT, but do the TPGs downgrade cards for less than perfect registration? My experience says 'no', unless it is way off.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Slightly OT, but do the TPGs downgrade cards for less than perfect registration? My experience says 'no', unless it is way off.

I certainly don't think they take it into account enough. Supposedly PSA has an OF qualifier for Out of Focus. Not sure I've come across many of these.

When BGS grades cards--their 4 categories are 1) centering 2) surface 3) Corners 4) Edges. Not sure if focus/registration is taken into account with surface.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Below is a side-by-side of the '51 Bowman Mays SGC 3 sold last night in REA on the left, and one that is in focus on the right.

Look at the outline of the jersey and how there are double-lines. Also, his eye has extra lines.

But hey, it was dead-centered.

Low "Eye appeal" to me

[Johnny630]

Willie Was an Outfielder who was (OF) outa focus on that card...