Greg Morris Cards - A tiny, insignificant and petty rant

[steve B]

I doubt either business controls the post office.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by steve B

I doubt either business controls the post office.

I don't need my item quickly, I bought planning ahead. Vendor sent it FedEx; I do very little business with them. But I've generally had good results with USPS. If it's at day 5-6 in shipping, it's because the vendor didn't send it 2 day. I'm in Spokane which is the regional hub for all USPS shipping in Eastern WA. If they shipped two day with USPS, it would have flown into Spokane and I would have had it in 2-3 days.

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[savedfrommyspokes]

I order frequently from GM... I also appreciate the quality of the cards. IMO, the delays in shipping appear to be the USPS on the surface. However, the use of a scan form (see below) can cause a buyer to presume that the USPS has taken possession of the mailing. But, this may not be the case.

Below is one example of a recent order of mine. I paid on Tues Feb 14, a label was created on Wed Feb 15. On Feb 15, my order appeared on their daily scan form and was scanned that day. Not until the Tues Feb 21 does the USPS show they actually accepted the package.

As I ship using the USPS scan form also, I realize that if my pickup is late in the day, the note "shipment received acceptance pending" will show for the date the form was scanned, but the mailings will not show as an origin acceptance until the following day.


When a label is created through ebay's 'buy labels in bulk" option, once created it will appear on that day's scan form. When I ship, my carrier scans my scan form barcode and takes my bin of mailings. He would have no idea if any of the mailings in the bin are actually the mailings that are on the scan form or not.

When the message "shipment received acceptance pending" appears with tracking, this satisfies ebay's shipping turnaround expectation.

So in my example, the USPS physically took possession of the mailing on either Mon Feb 20 or Tues Feb 21, not Wed Mar 15 as that was only the day that the mailing appears on the scan form. Once the mailing shows as "origin acceptance", it arrives within expected delivery time windows. The delay in shipment movement from Feb 15 through Feb 20/21 is not caused by the USPS.

Personally, I dont care how long it takes to ship (within reason), I appreciate the quality....I will gladly wait a few extra days for them to ship in exchange for their quality.

[Elberson]

Can you imagine 400,000.00 orders shipped everyday…..I can wait the 5 to 6 days for things to actually ship. Not against you but it seems everybody is in the “I want my stuff now mode”……the poor USPS worker must hate his job seeing the mountain of cards everyday……

[irv]

Originally Posted by Elberson

Can you imagine 400,000.00 orders shipped everyday…..I can wait the 5 to 6 days for things to actually ship. Not against you but it seems everybody is in the “I want my stuff now mode”……the poor USPS worker must hate his job seeing the mountain of cards everyday……

This. I also imagine, if they don't have a special dedicated vehicle just to pick up GM's cards, I imagine there is a truck, daily, maybe 2, that delivers padded envelopes and other wares as well.

I've purchased numerous cards from GM and I wait approximately a month before I receive them. It is just something I have gotten used to, and with the border crossing/international shipping, I completely understand it.

It is certainly hard at times, not going to lie, awaiting a special card to arrive, but it is what it is.

[Harliduck]

I'm a fan of GM myself...I have bought a lot of cards of them through my journey of where I am today. A lot. Mostly under graded as well...their VG/EX would pass as most's EX (same with that mantlerulz guy as well...) . Always happy with their cards.

It does take a while to ship and I live in the West coast like them. From my point of view, the fact they allow combined shipping for 7 days is HUGE. Once I win something I then hunt their auctions for the 7 days to see how many I can add...something brilliant they leverage of course. So given they are so patient with us as buyers, I really don't care how long it takes them, I can be patient in return. I am still surprised with their volume they never have messed up any of my orders, never.

Thumbs up from me...

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Elberson

Can you imagine 400,000.00 orders shipped everyday…..I can wait the 5 to 6 days for things to actually ship. Not against you but it seems everybody is in the “I want my stuff now mode”……the poor USPS worker must hate his job seeing the mountain of cards everyday……

Seriously, how does that even work? Does the USPS have to hire several extra people just for GM's volume?

I have bought more from GM than any other source a wide volume, but yeah, it can be slow going sometimes.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I order frequently from GM... I also appreciate the quality of the cards. IMO, the delays in shipping appear to be the USPS on the surface. However, the use of a scan form (see below) can cause a buyer to presume that the USPS has taken possession of the mailing. But, this may not be the case.



Below is one example of a recent order of mine. I paid on Tues Feb 14, a label was created on Wed Feb 15. On Feb 15, my order appeared on their daily scan form and was scanned that day. Not until the Tues Feb 21 does the USPS show they actually accepted the package.



As I ship using the USPS scan form also, I realize that if my pickup is late in the day, the note "shipment received acceptance pending" will show for the date the form was scanned, but the mailings will not show as an origin acceptance until the following day.





When a label is created through ebay's 'buy labels in bulk" option, once created it will appear on that day's scan form. When I ship, my carrier scans my scan form barcode and takes my bin of mailings. He would have no idea if any of the mailings in the bin are actually the mailings that are on the scan form or not.



When the message "shipment received acceptance pending" appears with tracking, this satisfies ebay's shipping turnaround expectation.



So in my example, the USPS physically took possession of the mailing on either Mon Feb 20 or Tues Feb 21, not Wed Mar 15 as that was only the day that the mailing appears on the scan form. Once the mailing shows as "origin acceptance", it arrives within expected delivery time windows. The delay in shipment movement from Feb 15 through Feb 20/21 is not caused by the USPS.



Personally, I dont care how long it takes to ship (within reason), I appreciate the quality....I will gladly wait a few extra days for them to ship in exchange for their quality.

this was a nice summary. Obviously the H in S&H has to be considered.

I order from the Reds a couple times every year. And their handling of my package makes me think that they send packages to ship every 3 days. So taking that into consideration, that can effect your shipping time significantly, especially if you order on a Friday or Saturday. It might not even get to a carrier until 5 days later.

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[BobC]

Not wanting to disparage what any of have said about GM's supposed slow shipping sometimes, but did/have any of you ever bothered to read and pay attention to the topic of combined shipping in the FAQ section of all GM's listings on Ebay? It pretty clearly states that they offer combined flat S&H rates to the U.S. and Canada for all cards won WITHIN A SEVEN (7) DAY PERIOD. And since they seem to list tons of cards on Ebay pretty much every day, to be able to offer such a service to ALL their customers, and because they likely have many people winning multiple cards from them over multiple days quite a bit, they pretty much have to automatically wait a week or so after you've initially won something from them to see if you end up winning any more of their cards. That way they can combine and ship your winnings so as to SAVE YOU MONEY on combined S&H charges.

But not a one of you people posting seems to have recognized (or comprehended) this actually very good thing they do to help and potentially benefit their customers. Good lord, you have a seller that pretty much does a great job in everyone's opinion, yet they still get criticized for doing something for their overall customer's benefit. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't it seems. Wow, just wow!

[deweyinthehall]

I started this thread with a silly complaint/observation, not meaning to disparage GMC in any way.

I'm starting to regret doing so.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I started this thread with a silly complaint/observation, not meaning to disparage GMC in any way.

I'm starting to regret doing so.

HA.

It's a feature, not a bug.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I started this thread with a silly complaint/observation, not meaning to disparage GMC in any way.

I'm starting to regret doing so.

Its funny...all I am ready is positive notes on GM? Actually illustrating your point? Yes, shipping takes a little while, but totally worth it due to their quality and customer service...I haven't really seen anything disparaging unless I missed something. I love GM and routinely check their auctions...

[irv]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I started this thread with a silly complaint/observation, not meaning to disparage GMC in any way.

I'm starting to regret doing so.

Don't let Bob's asinine and long winded posts discourage you from ever posting anything.
It's clear to see in his haste to opine his opinion on most anything, he clearly doesn't read other people's replies first.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by BobC

Not wanting to disparage what any of have said about GM's supposed slow shipping sometimes, but did/have any of you ever bothered to read and pay attention to the topic of combined shipping in the FAQ section of all GM's listings on Ebay? It pretty clearly states that they offer combined flat S&H rates to the U.S. and Canada for all cards won WITHIN A SEVEN (7) DAY PERIOD. And since they seem to list tons of cards on Ebay pretty much every day, to be able to offer such a service to ALL their customers, and because they likely have many people winning multiple cards from them over multiple days quite a bit, they pretty much have to automatically wait a week or so after you've initially won something from them to see if you end up winning any more of their cards. That way they can combine and ship your winnings so as to SAVE YOU MONEY on combined S&H charges.

But not a one of you people posting seems to have recognized (or comprehended) this actually very good thing they do to help and potentially benefit their customers. Good lord, you have a seller that pretty much does a great job in everyone's opinion, yet they still get criticized for doing something for their overall customer's benefit. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't it seems. Wow, just wow!

+1. I always assumed when I won cards in their auctions that they were waiting to see whether I was going to win more in the coming days so that it would be a combined order with reduced shipping. Also, I recently forgot to pay for a single card won-- I thought all of my bids had been topped but apparently one held up, for something like $15. I spotted it about almost a week later and kind of wondered why I hadn't got the ebay email "pay for your auction notices" that seem to get spit out at you if you're more than a day or so late, but then it dawned on me that GM waits to see whether you're going to add to your order. To me it's refreshing, not annoying, the way they handle this part of their business.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by BobC

Not wanting to disparage what any of have said about GM's supposed slow shipping sometimes, but did/have any of you ever bothered to read and pay attention to the topic of combined shipping in the FAQ section of all GM's listings on Ebay? It pretty clearly states that they offer combined flat S&H rates to the U.S. and Canada for all cards won WITHIN A SEVEN (7) DAY PERIOD. And since they seem to list tons of cards on Ebay pretty much every day, to be able to offer such a service to ALL their customers, and because they likely have many people winning multiple cards from them over multiple days quite a bit, they pretty much have to automatically wait a week or so after you've initially won something from them to see if you end up winning any more of their cards. That way they can combine and ship your winnings so as to SAVE YOU MONEY on combined S&H charges.

But not a one of you people posting seems to have recognized (or comprehended) this actually very good thing they do to help and potentially benefit their customers. Good lord, you have a seller that pretty much does a great job in everyone's opinion, yet they still get criticized for doing something for their overall customer's benefit. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't it seems. Wow, just wow!

They only wait a week if you don't send payment before then. Once I pay for any card or cards I've won from them, that starts their shipping process since they only offer the combined shipping before any payment is sent. I usually get a notification that my order has shipped within a day or two after sending payment.

I am used to it taking several days from when I get a notification that my cards have shipped until they actually show as received by the USPS, but the explanation about the scan form and the large volume of packages they send out at once makes the delay understandable. It has to take a while to process everything that they deliver to the USPS.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by jayshum

They only wait a week if you don't send payment before then. Once I pay for any card or cards I've won from them, that starts their shipping process since they only offer the combined shipping before any payment is sent. I usually get a notification that my order has shipped within a day or two after sending payment.

I am used to it taking several days from when I get a notification that my cards have shipped until they actually show as received by the USPS, but the explanation about the scan form and the large volume of packages they send out at once makes the delay understandable. It has to take a while to process everything that they deliver to the USPS.

+1

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jayshum

They only wait a week if you don't send payment before then. Once I pay for any card or cards I've won from them, that starts their shipping process since they only offer the combined shipping before any payment is sent. I usually get a notification that my order has shipped within a day or two after sending payment.

I am used to it taking several days from when I get a notification that my cards have shipped until they actually show as received by the USPS, but the explanation about the scan form and the large volume of packages they send out at once makes the delay understandable. It has to take a while to process everything that they deliver to the USPS.

That makes sense, but for as much business as they do, I'll bet they still wait a bit in case someone pays, and then right after doing so, suddenly sees more cards of GM's to bid on and win. I would imagine if GM instantly shipped right after payment, they'd have more than just a few customers suddenly contacting them about additional cards they won, and how they now want to combine shipping of everything so as to only pay S&H once.

But if they sent the initial purchase out right away, now they either have to eat the additional S&H costs themselves, or risk upsetting a customer. Ship too fast, someone ends up unhappy paying additional S&H costs and charges. So, slow the shipping down to appease those customers, and now you get others complaining about them being too slow. Like I said before, damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by BobC

That makes sense, but for as much business as they do, I'll bet they still wait a bit in case someone pays, and then right after doing so, suddenly sees more cards of GM's to bid on and win. I would imagine if GM instantly shipped right after payment, they'd have more than just a few customers suddenly contacting them about additional cards they won, and how they now want to combine shipping of everything so as to only pay S&H once.

But if they sent the initial purchase out right away, now they either have to eat the additional S&H costs themselves, or risk upsetting a customer. Ship too fast, someone ends up unhappy paying additional S&H costs and charges. So, slow the shipping down to appease those customers, and now you get others complaining about them being too slow. Like I said before, damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Below is what is on their listing. Once you pay, that's it for any more combined shipping. I'm sure they get asked but with the volume they do, I doubt they make exceptions.

Once you checkout and pay, your order is processed for shipment and we cannot combine any additional items you may win later. If you win our auctions over multiple nights within a 7-day period, wait until you are completely done shopping to pay and qualify for $4.95/$15 combined S&H.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by BobC

That makes sense, but for as much business as they do, I'll bet they still wait a bit in case someone pays, and then right after doing so, suddenly sees more cards of GM's to bid on and win. I would imagine if GM instantly shipped right after payment, they'd have more than just a few customers suddenly contacting them about additional cards they won, and how they now want to combine shipping of everything so as to only pay S&H once.

But if they sent the initial purchase out right away, now they either have to eat the additional S&H costs themselves, or risk upsetting a customer. Ship too fast, someone ends up unhappy paying additional S&H costs and charges. So, slow the shipping down to appease those customers, and now you get others complaining about them being too slow. Like I said before, damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

That's exactly what they do. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a huge cost to them, especially if you keep buying.

i paid for cards won over several days. Later that night, decided to bid on and won 2 more cards. I should have waited to pay but didn't think I'd win them. I emailed them asking if they could combine and add those 2 cards to the same package since it had not reached the post office yet. Their response was they could not add them to the package as it was already done and sealed, but would send them separately and happily adjust the postage. The 2nd order did not have any shipping charges. I even replied telling them I didn't expect them to do that and they said not to worry about it.

So they don't hold them for more purchases once paid.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by BobC

Not wanting to disparage what any of have said about GM's supposed slow shipping sometimes, but did/have any of you ever bothered to read and pay attention to the topic of combined shipping in the FAQ section of all GM's listings on Ebay? It pretty clearly states that they offer combined flat S&H rates to the U.S. and Canada for all cards won WITHIN A SEVEN (7) DAY PERIOD. And since they seem to list tons of cards on Ebay pretty much every day, to be able to offer such a service to ALL their customers, and because they likely have many people winning multiple cards from them over multiple days quite a bit, they pretty much have to automatically wait a week or so after you've initially won something from them to see if you end up winning any more of their cards. That way they can combine and ship your winnings so as to SAVE YOU MONEY on combined S&H charges.

But not a one of you people posting seems to have recognized (or comprehended) this actually very good thing they do to help and potentially benefit their customers. Good lord, you have a seller that pretty much does a great job in everyone's opinion, yet they still get criticized for doing something for their overall customer's benefit. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't it seems. Wow, just wow!

Geez Bob...I mentioned exactly what you said a few posts earlier and was praising them. Maybe read some of the posts first.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Geez Bob...I mentioned exactly what you said a few posts earlier and was praising them. Maybe read some of the posts first.

Wasn't pointing at you at all. Just started glancing through early comments and saw how everyone was saying great things about GM, but still must have had some issues with their perceived slow shipping, or why else were they bringing it up and commenting on it? And my apologies for not referencing/acknowledging your initial post. I had actually started my initial response much earlier, before your initial post, but then had to break away and take care of something else. So no, I must have missed your initial post when I got back on and saw the swing of possible cause now going to the USPS in the last few posts that were then in the thread. And the way those last few posts read, it sure didn't seem like you or anyone else had mentioned GM's 7 day combined shipping period during my absence. So obviously, it appears I wasn't the only one who missed (or misunderstood) your first post.

And since others didn't apparently "get it" from your post, maybe it was a good thing I did post as if you hadn't posted what you did after all. Because now they definitely get the point about the 7 day combined shipping period, and how it can most definitely affect how quickly GM gets items to their customers.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by BobC

Not wanting to disparage what any of have said about GM's supposed slow shipping sometimes, but did/have any of you ever bothered to read and pay attention to the topic of combined shipping in the FAQ section of all GM's listings on Ebay? It pretty clearly states that they offer combined flat S&H rates to the U.S. and Canada for all cards won WITHIN A SEVEN (7) DAY PERIOD. And since they seem to list tons of cards on Ebay pretty much every day, to be able to offer such a service to ALL their customers, and because they likely have many people winning multiple cards from them over multiple days quite a bit, they pretty much have to automatically wait a week or so after you've initially won something from them to see if you end up winning any more of their cards. That way they can combine and ship your winnings so as to SAVE YOU MONEY on combined S&H charges.

But not a one of you people posting seems to have recognized (or comprehended) this actually very good thing they do to help and potentially benefit their customers. Good lord, you have a seller that pretty much does a great job in everyone's opinion, yet they still get criticized for doing something for their overall customer's benefit. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't it seems. Wow, just wow!

Bob, the fact that they combine shipping over 7 days IS a good thing. I've actually unknowingly gone as long as 9 or 10 days and they were fine with it.

But here is where you are off, if I read your comment correctly. None of the mailing issues begin until the order is paid and complete. As soon as you've paid, they begin the shipping process. So they aren't holding orders to see if you buy more. That works itself out as once you win cards, you leave them in your cart without paying, overnight they update an invoice combining previous days, and so on. Once you are done, you pay the updated invoice and shipping begins, which is where this discussion topic begins. What you are referencing happens before that point.

[mortimer brewster]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

Bob, the fact that they combine shipping over 7 days IS a good thing. I've actually unknowingly gone as long as 9 or 10 days and they were fine with it.

But here is where you are off, if I read your comment correctly. None of the mailing issues begin until the order is paid and complete. As soon as you've paid, they begin the shipping process. So they aren't holding orders to see if you buy more. That works itself out as once you win cards, you leave them in your cart without paying, overnight they update an invoice combining previous days, and so on. Once you are done, you pay the updated invoice and shipping begins, which is where this discussion topic begins. What you are referencing happens before that point.

Right on. I have won literally thousands of auctions from GMC over the past 10 years. I receive an invoice from them every night so I have the option to pay whenever I want during the 7 day period. It's nice to know they are not strict with the 7 day period.

I live in Western New York and have nearly always received my order within 7 days of paying.

If I have a criticism of GMC it is their auctions seem to be slightly disorganized (ex mixing 1972 Football and Baseball singles together) could be a little annoying working from a checklist. I attribute this to many collectors liquidating their collections. At any given time they have approx 27000 auctions going. Pre pandemic it was close to 20000.

[stkuhl]

I have purchased plenty of cards from Greg Morris. He does seem to list the grades conservatively. I agree that the shipping time, I'm in Tennessee, is really really slow. It does seem odd that it usually takes 4-6 days for a purchase to start moving through the USPS system. That said, I factor that into the cards I but from GM.

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I order frequently from GM... I also appreciate the quality of the cards. IMO, the delays in shipping appear to be the USPS on the surface. However, the use of a scan form (see below) can cause a buyer to presume that the USPS has taken possession of the mailing. But, this may not be the case.

Below is one example of a recent order of mine. I paid on Tues Feb 14, a label was created on Wed Feb 15. On Feb 15, my order appeared on their daily scan form and was scanned that day. Not until the Tues Feb 21 does the USPS show they actually accepted the package.

As I ship using the USPS scan form also, I realize that if my pickup is late in the day, the note "shipment received acceptance pending" will show for the date the form was scanned, but the mailings will not show as an origin acceptance until the following day.


When a label is created through ebay's 'buy labels in bulk" option, once created it will appear on that day's scan form. When I ship, my carrier scans my scan form barcode and takes my bin of mailings. He would have no idea if any of the mailings in the bin are actually the mailings that are on the scan form or not.

When the message "shipment received acceptance pending" appears with tracking, this satisfies ebay's shipping turnaround expectation.

So in my example, the USPS physically took possession of the mailing on either Mon Feb 20 or Tues Feb 21, not Wed Mar 15 as that was only the day that the mailing appears on the scan form. Once the mailing shows as "origin acceptance", it arrives within expected delivery time windows. The delay in shipment movement from Feb 15 through Feb 20/21 is not caused by the USPS.

Personally, I dont care how long it takes to ship (within reason), I appreciate the quality....I will gladly wait a few extra days for them to ship in exchange for their quality.

This is interesting information.

For comparison, when I order from Burbank it isn't unusual to receive cards in 5 or 6 days, COMC (when they actually ship) is just as quick.

Like I said - I will order from GMC until the end of my collecting days. It was just something I noticed about their shipping.