Red Sun - Is it really a Louisiana exclusive?

[G1911]

Also, you shared this article from June 22, 1911 in the News And Observer when we were talking about the Ware-Kramer lawsuit against the ATC. The statement could be clearer, but it seems to suggest that Georgia and Alabama may have had premium distribution problems as well.

The White Rolls actresses cards idea does not appear to have ever been brought to fruition.

[DixieBaseball]

Good stuff Guys! Should we draw correlation with the Fat borders Series in T210 + T211 Baseball players as perhaps made/distributed in a different manner than the thinner border cards? Why would Series 2,3, & 8 be the only Fat Border series.... Series 1 - South Atlantic League, Series 2 Virginia League, Series 8 - Southern Assocation !? Why does the Blue Grass League (KY) Series 6 not have Fat Borders ? Is there correlation to the series that have Fat Borders and the one's that don't to where and when they were made and distributed??

[RCMcKenzie]

I know you guys like anecdotal evidence... I do not remember lots of T211 and T210 at East Texas shows in the 80's like T213.

[G1911]

I would doubt the borders served as an indicator of distribution or geography, as they are just a slightly different aesthetic design choice. It may indicate connections between designers and/or places of printing. They are almost all certainly printed in the NY area; though the myth that the ATC T cards all were done in the American Lithography building in NYC has been busted, we haven't tied any cards to a lithographer outside the northeast. Which shadow subsidiary did which job is mostly a mystery still. It ranges from possible to likely that some sets were done at multiple locations. T210 has more series than any other ATC issue, it wouldn't be surprising if they were done up in multiple locations.

I need to go read the law here, but if these were distributed nationally, as Old Mill and Red Sun were national brands, the choice of minor league subjects from the south may have been to avoid the New York privacy law that forced them to go get contracts and face lawsuits if they didn't. People who played for NL and AL teams or northeastern leagues were from or travelled to the state giving them the problem. The T210 and T211 subjects probably were not covered by the law and did not require releases. Lower effort and lower cost baseball pictures. As the salesman says in the News and Observer, more baseball pictures were in great demand.

[DixieBaseball]

80's Red Sun Pack I own...

[DixieBaseball]

1910 OM Pack

[steve B]

The jobbers mentioned in the articles would be the same sort of business I called distributors.

I would be surprised if ATC sold direct to a small store. The cost to process their bills etc would usually be more than the profits.

But this is just full of surprises, so maybe?