What to do - Ebay Authentication Process/Possible Reprint

[Pat R]

If your mailing address is a PO box it doesn't go through the authentication process.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by Pat R

If your mailing address is a PO box it doesn't go through the authentication process.

Pat R is correct.

I called ebay and just found that out. I use a PO Box (tired of getting my mail stolen!!!)

I'm going to just send the card back and take my return. Funny, the ebay agent said they would have backed me if he didn't take the return...he said the onus would have been on him to prove it's authentic to negate a return. This new policy of Authentication isn't to protect the buyer, it protects Ebay...

Learn something new every day. My lesson...any big cards that need Authentication I send to an address...if I want to skip their Authentication for a graded card, ship to my PO...lol.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Pat R is correct.

I called ebay and just found that out. I use a PO Box (tired of getting my mail stolen!!!)

I'm going to just send the card back and take my return. Funny, the ebay agent said they would have backed me if he didn't take the return...he said the onus would have been on him to prove it's authentic to negate a return. This new policy of Authentication isn't to protect the buyer, it protects Ebay...

Learn something new every day. My lesson...any big cards that need Authentication I send to an address...if I want to skip their Authentication for a graded card, ship to my PO...lol.

Isn't one of, if not the, main reason they don't use the authentication process if you have a P.O. box is because a signature is required when your item is delivered? Another way Ebay can protect themselves, more so than the buyer or seller.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BobC

Isn't one of, if not the, main reason they don't use the authentication process if you have a P.O. box is because a signature is required when your item is delivered? Another way Ebay can protect themselves, more so than the buyer or seller.

Perhaps that is Ebay's reasoning, but they could also pay the additional amount to require signature for the package, and then the purchaser just has to go to the counter at post office to sign for it.

Brian

[sb1]

Doesn't cost any more or any less for "signature required" to a residence, business or PO Box with the USPS.

[Popcorn]

always used a P.O. Box until they started the AG

personally rather have my cards sitting at the post and not driving around in a truck and sitting in my mail box. Unfortunately sense Covid the local post still does not use signature and will leave it at my door step.

I finally decided it’s better to know what I bought is as described and canceled my P.O. Box. Just too many scams dealt with in the past. Sense AG I have had to open 0 return cases. It’s awesome.

[Directly]

I would return too, especially if not happy with any intuition its not legit-

[nineunder71]

I don’t think so, I’ve never had to sign for a card from the authenticator. They just get put in my mailbox...

Did eBay give you (John) the opportunity to still submit it to the authenticator yourself, and have it shipped back to you? Sounds to me like you want the card, but want it authenticated.

Either way, Good Luck to the OP

Originally Posted by BobC

Isn't one of, if not the, main reason they don't use the authentication process if you have a P.O. box is because a signature is required when your item is delivered? Another way Ebay can protect themselves, more so than the buyer or seller.

[rand1com]

I see no reason to believe the card is not authentic from the pics but safety would be to send it back since it cannot be verified.

[jingram058]

So that's what it's come to in this hobby...everything not graded or otherwise authenticated is automatically under scrutiny for being a fake.

I for one do not care about that. In the end, if my cards are somehow deemed fake, so be it. And I have some truly expensive cards.

If, and that's a great big if, I bought an expensive card off of eBay or Amazon or whatever, and I loupe it and blacklight it, and I'm convinced it's fake, I'm not going to the seller I'm going straight to eBay and go through hoops to speak to a human and say and do whatever to get my money back. Whatever it takes.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jingram058

So that's what it's come to in this hobby...everything not graded or otherwise authenticated is automatically under scrutiny for being a fake.

I for one do not care about that. In the end, if my cards are somehow deemed fake, so be it. And I have some truly expensive cards.

If, and that's a great big if, I bought an expensive card off of eBay or Amazon or whatever, and I loupe it and blacklight it, and I'm convinced it's fake, I'm not going to the seller I'm going straight to eBay and go through hoops to speak to a human and say and do whatever to get my money back. Whatever it takes.

James you will be OK with raw cards. Card doctors don't fix cards to keep them raw. They fix them to get into PSA slabs because that is where the money is.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by jingram058

So that's what it's come to in this hobby...everything not graded or otherwise authenticated is automatically under scrutiny for being a fake.

I for one do not care about that. In the end, if my cards are somehow deemed fake, so be it. And I have some truly expensive cards.

If, and that's a great big if, I bought an expensive card off of eBay or Amazon or whatever, and I loupe it and blacklight it, and I'm convinced it's fake, I'm not going to the seller I'm going straight to eBay and go through hoops to speak to a human and say and do whatever to get my money back. Whatever it takes.

Wow...no where near the situation, you clearly don't know me. 99.999% of my collection is proudly raw, with only ONE card post-57 graded, my 63 Pete Rose rookie as that's the only way I trust buying such a reprinted card. It wasn't the process that initially made me feel this card is a fake, it was the CARD itself. Looking back now I realize this entire time I have bought cards sent directly to me due to a PO, I just didn't understand the process. Last week I had a graded 1955 Koufax sent, I assumed since it was graded it didn't need it. I know now why.

I didn't need to go straight to ebay, buyer agreed to a return...there was no need. I only went to ebay after reading here to see why it was sent directly to me. If you are ok with keeping a card you feel is fake, good for you man.



I have a rather large Mantle collection...all raw except my 53 T, 54 B, 53 Dormands, 55 B...Mantle cards are the most trimmed, soaked, altered, and faked cards out there...and this one proves that. I buy pre-57 cards graded so I can sleep at night...

[BobC]

Originally Posted by nineunder71

I don’t think so, I’ve never had to sign for a card from the authenticator. They just get put in my mailbox...

Did eBay give you (John) the opportunity to still submit it to the authenticator yourself, and have it shipped back to you? Sounds to me like you want the card, but want it authenticated.

Either way, Good Luck to the OP

Funny, I just got something delivered to me last week that went through authentication, and I had to sign for the mailman, or I would have to go to the post office to pick it up and sign for it there. Do they do this differently for different items/people or something else I've never heard of before? I was always under the impression it was one fixed set of rules supposedly covering everything (and everyone) the same.

[Kaneen]

Originally Posted by BobC

Funny, I just got something delivered to me last week that went through authentication, and I had to sign for the mailman, or I would have to go to the post office to pick it up and sign for it there. Do they do this differently for different items/people or something else I've never heard of before? I was always under the impression it was one fixed set of rules supposedly covering everything (and everyone) the same.

Bob, I don't believe your shipment was handled any differently than anyone else's by eBay. The variance in experiences is more likely due to inconsistencies in local USPS practices. During the pandemic, most shipping services (like USPS) suspended their policies of making mail carriers obtain signatures on "signature required" packages. This was to limit carriers' exposure to Covid risks and maintain social distancing. Carriers would either sign for the package themselves, or in most cases just drop it off at your door or mail receptacle without it being signed for. It is very likely that not all local post offices have returned to enforcing pre-pandemic practices concerning obtaining signatures. It is also likely that even if they are now supposed to do it, some individual carriers might not make the extra effort. Sounds like you have a quality carrier that plays it by the book.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Kaneen

Bob, I don't believe your shipment was handled any differently than anyone else's by eBay. The variance in experiences is more likely due to inconsistencies in local USPS practices. During the pandemic, most shipping services (like USPS) suspended their policies of making mail carriers obtain signatures on "signature required" packages. This was to limit carriers' exposure to Covid risks and maintain social distancing. Carriers would either sign for the package themselves, or in most cases just drop it off at your door or mail receptacle without it being signed for. It is very likely that not all local post offices have returned to enforcing pre-pandemic practices concerning obtaining signatures. It is also likely that even if they are now supposed to do it, some individual carriers might not make the extra effort. Sounds like you have a quality carrier that plays it by the book.

You may be right Kevin, but the odd thing is I have also received other packages from several different sources (AHs) over the past couple of months, and even had a second package delivered the same day and alongside the one I got from Ebay authentication. When I asked the mailman, they said the signature was only because of the one package from Ebay, not the second one they also delivered at the same time from REA. And none of the other past card deliveries from others have required any signatures either. Just seemed very odd that all of a sudden I had to sign for something like that. This kind of thing, plus other stuff like the poster who mentioned getting items sent to him from Ebay authentication despite using a P.O. box address, has me scratching my head on what they are doing anymore. But based on what the mailman told me, it seems that Ebay must have specifically requested signature verification on the delivery to my house. Now is there possibly some kind of additional dollar threshold that Ebay uses before also requesting signature verification then? I paid between $1,500-$2,000 for the item I had go through their authentication process, does that make a difference then in how they have it delivered and add signature verification? Very confusing IMO.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Pat R

If your mailing address is a PO box it doesn't go through the authentication process.

That is what I have heard as well. If you have a PO Box and want to make a similar type of purchase that you are not 100% confident about, I suggest you temporarily change your delivery address to your home address on Ebay so that it can go through their authentication process.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

I don't type fast enough.

Brian

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by Pat R

If your mailing address is a PO box it doesn't go through the authentication process.

I use a P.O. Box and have received a half dozen cards from the authentication service.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I use a P.O. Box and have received a half dozen cards from the authentication service.

Well that's interesting you are the first person that I know of who has their ebay purchases shipped to a PO box who has had an item go through the authentication process.

When they first started the program I purchased a card that was supposed to go through the process and because of that it said there would be a delay in the shipping. I was surprised when I received the card in the mail three days later so I checked their terms and conditions and found out why. I have purchased 20+ cards that had the Guarantee and all of them were shipped directly to me.

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[Tyruscobb]

I think it’s authentic, but I’d need to personally see the card to guarantee it. I understand you wanting to return it. However, if you do, you risk the seller deciding to keep it or selling it to someone else. You risk losing the card.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

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[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

I think it’s authentic, but I’d need to personally see the card to guarantee it. I understand you wanting to return it. However, if you do, you risk the seller deciding to keep it or selling it to someone else. You risk losing the card.

If the card is fake, it’s a good one. I went to the original eBay listing and focused in the best I could. The card appears to have the correct printing dots. However, like I originally said, I’d have to handle the card to make sure.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Well that's interesting you are the first person that I know of who has their ebay purchases shipped to a PO box who has had an item go through the authentication process.

Assuming this is the authentication service we are talking about, yes I've received 5 or 6 to my PO Box.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Assuming this is the authentication service we are talking about, yes I've received 5 or 6 to my PO Box.

Yes that's the service Steve, and according to their own terms & conditions you're not eligible for the service.

[bnorth]

The authentication process seems to be all over the place. I listed a card for auction with the BIN option high enough for it to go through the service. Card actually sold for $150 but is still going to the authenticator. I am happy because I personally love the service.