What to do - Ebay Authentication Process/Possible Reprint

[jingram058]

So that's what it's come to in this hobby...everything not graded or otherwise authenticated is automatically under scrutiny for being a fake.

I for one do not care about that. In the end, if my cards are somehow deemed fake, so be it. And I have some truly expensive cards.

If, and that's a great big if, I bought an expensive card off of eBay or Amazon or whatever, and I loupe it and blacklight it, and I'm convinced it's fake, I'm not going to the seller I'm going straight to eBay and go through hoops to speak to a human and say and do whatever to get my money back. Whatever it takes.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jingram058

So that's what it's come to in this hobby...everything not graded or otherwise authenticated is automatically under scrutiny for being a fake.

I for one do not care about that. In the end, if my cards are somehow deemed fake, so be it. And I have some truly expensive cards.

If, and that's a great big if, I bought an expensive card off of eBay or Amazon or whatever, and I loupe it and blacklight it, and I'm convinced it's fake, I'm not going to the seller I'm going straight to eBay and go through hoops to speak to a human and say and do whatever to get my money back. Whatever it takes.

James you will be OK with raw cards. Card doctors don't fix cards to keep them raw. They fix them to get into PSA slabs because that is where the money is.

[rjackson44]

Keep card shes pretty

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Keep card shes pretty

I would LOVE to keep this.

So I took it to the local card shop to a guy I trust...to be fair we probably hold the same amount of vintage...but wanted his opinion...he also in 2 seconds called it a reprint...a decent one. In hand it doesn't feel right. Here are my scans, not seller pictures -






You can be the judge via scan...I have a few 56 Mantles, no need to keep this and chase to grade. The borders are not "dirty"...it looks like it was aged before it was "reprinted", its really smooth. Sent back this morning.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by bnorth

James you will be OK with raw cards. Card doctors don't fix cards to keep them raw. They fix them to get into PSA slabs because that is where the money is.

https://www.beckett.com/news/buyer-b...-card-on-ebay/

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by bnorth

James you will be OK with raw cards. Card doctors don't fix cards to keep them raw. They fix them to get into PSA slabs because that is where the money is.

Ahh, yes. Thanks, Ben.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Raw is the way to go. I have somewhere in the region of 100,000 autographed flats. Forget about the exorbitant cost, but can you imagine how much more room 100,000 slabs would take up? They're so clunky and unappealing, not to mention the distasteful juxtaposition of vintage items imprisoned in modern plastic. I might only have 100 or less items in slabs because they were obtained already encapsulated. What would otherwise fit into a tiny space takes up far too much room. I just leave them in their awful tombs because the next owner will likely have differing thoughts.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by bnorth

James you will be OK with raw cards. Card doctors don't fix cards to keep them raw. They fix them to get into PSA slabs because that is where the money is.

Totally agree...unless the name on the card is Mantle...or, have you seen some of the really good fake raw 67 Seaver rookies out there? Those are scary...there is money on some cards in raw...a lot of money. My mind can't even go to the card dr.s and the fake high end due to grading...I have never "paid for a grade"...buying a vintage card in 8 is out of my league...

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by jingram058

So that's what it's come to in this hobby...everything not graded or otherwise authenticated is automatically under scrutiny for being a fake.

I for one do not care about that. In the end, if my cards are somehow deemed fake, so be it. And I have some truly expensive cards.

If, and that's a great big if, I bought an expensive card off of eBay or Amazon or whatever, and I loupe it and blacklight it, and I'm convinced it's fake, I'm not going to the seller I'm going straight to eBay and go through hoops to speak to a human and say and do whatever to get my money back. Whatever it takes.

Wow...no where near the situation, you clearly don't know me. 99.999% of my collection is proudly raw, with only ONE card post-57 graded, my 63 Pete Rose rookie as that's the only way I trust buying such a reprinted card. It wasn't the process that initially made me feel this card is a fake, it was the CARD itself. Looking back now I realize this entire time I have bought cards sent directly to me due to a PO, I just didn't understand the process. Last week I had a graded 1955 Koufax sent, I assumed since it was graded it didn't need it. I know now why.

I didn't need to go straight to ebay, buyer agreed to a return...there was no need. I only went to ebay after reading here to see why it was sent directly to me. If you are ok with keeping a card you feel is fake, good for you man.



I have a rather large Mantle collection...all raw except my 53 T, 54 B, 53 Dormands, 55 B...Mantle cards are the most trimmed, soaked, altered, and faked cards out there...and this one proves that. I buy pre-57 cards graded so I can sleep at night...

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Wow...no where near the situation, you clearly don't know me. 99.999% of my collection is proudly raw, with only ONE card post-57 graded, my 63 Pete Rose rookie as that's the only way I trust buying such a reprinted card. It wasn't the process that initially made me feel this card is a fake, it was the CARD itself. Looking back now I realize this entire time I have bought cards sent directly to me due to a PO, I just didn't understand the process. Last week I had a graded 1955 Koufax sent, I assumed since it was graded it didn't need it. I know now why.

I didn't need to go straight to ebay, buyer agreed to a return...there was no need. I only went to ebay after reading here to see why it was sent directly to me. If you are ok with keeping a card you feel is fake, good for you man.



I have a rather large Mantle collection...all raw except my 53 T, 54 B, 53 Dormands, 55 B...Mantle cards are the most trimmed, soaked, altered, and faked cards out there...and this one proves that. I buy pre-57 cards graded so I can sleep at night...

When I say I don't care if my cards are fake, I mean it. Could there be fakes in my collection? Perhaps. If there are, I will never know about it. However, that said, I seriously don't believe there are any. They feel right, loupe right, blacklight right, smell right, card stocks block lamp light right, fibers look right, the works. I don't need any grader to offer up an opinion that, quite frankly, I don't want or need or care about. I'm very content with them, I don't lose any sleep at night worrying about them, I'm not building some sort of investment legacy to pass on. I just enjoy them for what they are to me, a link to my youth and a glorious era of baseball.

I'm not condescending your situation in any way, and if taken that way, I formally apologize.

I have bought MANY cards from sellers on eBay. None of them overly expensive. All my really big money cards were either given to me years ago by friends and relatives or bought at card shows or events years ago (90%) or were obtained via trades, in person (10%).

Like you, I feel that after 55+ years in and out of this hobby that I am knowledgeable enough at this point to differentiate between authentic and fake real fast. Much like buying a car, I wouldn't buy from photos any big ticket card.

I guess, since I collect only raw cards, that my "Mason-Dixon Line" for a single card big purchase on line would be perhaps $250. If something went awry, I could live with that. Any higher, I would seek an in person deal or trade.

[rjackson44]

Correct bad fake

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by jingram058

When I say I don't care if my cards are fake, I mean it. Could there be fakes in my collection? Perhaps. If there are, I will never know about it. However, that said, I seriously don't believe there are any. They feel right, loupe right, blacklight right, smell right, card stocks block lamp light right, fibers look right, the works. I don't need any grader to offer up an opinion that, quite frankly, I don't want or need or care about. I'm very content with them, I don't lose any sleep at night worrying about them, I'm not building some sort of investment legacy to pass on. I just enjoy them for what they are to me, a link to my youth and a glorious era of baseball.

I'm not condescending your situation in any way, and if taken that way, I formally apologize.

I have bought MANY cards from sellers on eBay. None of them overly expensive. All my really big money cards were either given to me years ago by friends and relatives or bought at card shows or events years ago (90%) or were obtained via trades, in person (10%).

Like you, I feel that after 55+ years in and out of this hobby that I am knowledgeable enough at this point to differentiate between authentic and fake real fast. Much like buying a car, I wouldn't buy from photos any big ticket card.

I guess, since I collect only raw cards, that my "Mason-Dixon Line" for a single card big purchase on line would be perhaps $250. If something went awry, I could live with that. Any higher, I would seek an in person deal or trade.

James...I think we are actually on the exact same page...appreciate the comments. I feel like I could have written most of your post. Totally agree on the $250 comment. Even in the 50's anything under that I don't need grading and if something went wrong, it's on me. When I say I buy 50s graded it was exactly that, anything more than $400ish really. I am on a SGC kick of grading some of my 50s big cards just for consistency and to be fair, I love the way they look. Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Clemente, Ted W, Jackie....only the big boys and most of mine are gloriously in low grade. I am not trying to cash in. I'm enjoying it...but who knows, I may pop them in a couple years...haha...call it a phase.

[Leon]

Interesting view. I like all of my cards to be real.
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Originally Posted by jingram058

When I say I don't care if my cards are fake, I mean it. Could there be fakes in my collection? Perhaps. If there are, I will never know about it. However, that said, I seriously don't believe there are any. They feel right, loupe right, blacklight right, smell right, card stocks block lamp light right, fibers look right, the works. I don't need any grader to offer up an opinion that, quite frankly, I don't want or need or care about. I'm very content with them, I don't lose any sleep at night worrying about them, I'm not building some sort of investment legacy to pass on. I just enjoy them for what they are to me, a link to my youth and a glorious era of baseball.

I'm not condescending your situation in any way, and if taken that way, I formally apologize.

I have bought MANY cards from sellers on eBay. None of them overly expensive. All my really big money cards were either given to me years ago by friends and relatives or bought at card shows or events years ago (90%) or were obtained via trades, in person (10%).

Like you, I feel that after 55+ years in and out of this hobby that I am knowledgeable enough at this point to differentiate between authentic and fake real fast. Much like buying a car, I wouldn't buy from photos any big ticket card.

I guess, since I collect only raw cards, that my "Mason-Dixon Line" for a single card big purchase on line would be perhaps $250. If something went awry, I could live with that. Any higher, I would seek an in person deal or trade.