$117K SGC 8.5 DiMaggio WWG trimmed heavily, previously an SGC 6

[Fred]

This is why TPGs should use a minimum size requirement for cards with RAZOR sharp corners.

If the card doesn't meet the minimum size requirement and it has RAZOR sharp corners, then have a QUALIFIER that indicates it doesn't meet the minimum size requirement but has been graded as if it were. That would put the thought in everyone's mind that it could be trimmed (which it probably is). Think about it.

When you look at the number of cards out there and find that a large number of high grade cards doesn't meet the minimum size requirement, then people may start asking why most cards with lower grades meet the size requirement but higher graded cards do not. I mean really? Are we this stupid?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Fred

This is why TPGs should use a minimum size requirement for cards with RAZOR sharp corners.

If the card doesn't meet the minimum size requirement and it has RAZOR sharp corners, then have a QUALIFIER that indicates it doesn't meet the minimum size requirement but has been graded as if it were. That would put the thought in everyone's mind that it could be trimmed (which it probably is). Think about it.

When you look at the number of cards out there and find that a large number of high grade cards doesn't meet the minimum size requirement, then people may start asking why most cards with lower grades meet the size requirement but higher graded cards do not. I mean really? Are we this stupid?

When it comes to most humans on this planet, the answer to your very last question is a resounding YES!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

This is why TPGs should use a minimum size requirement for cards with RAZOR sharp corners.

If the card doesn't meet the minimum size requirement and it has RAZOR sharp corners, then have a QUALIFIER that indicates it doesn't meet the minimum size requirement but has been graded as if it were. That would put the thought in everyone's mind that it could be trimmed (which it probably is). Think about it.

When you look at the number of cards out there and find that a large number of high grade cards doesn't meet the minimum size requirement, then people may start asking why most cards with lower grades meet the size requirement but higher graded cards do not. I mean really? Are we this stupid?

They reject cards and send them back unslabbed with a label that says MINSZ or similar, I forget the exact phrase. They seem to ignore this suspiciously often to keep slabbing very small cards. Strange!

People are sadly this stupid. Strangely thin high grade cards continue to outsell by huge margins unaltered cards that are of normal size. What the slab says overcomes actual reality in the market. Reality is annoying, the card in the 9 slab lets you flex on the poor with the same card in a 6 slab. Being altered is irrelevant.

[doug.goodman]

At this point in the age of opinion sellers I actually enjoy seeing a trimmed card go for 6 figures.

Anybody who likes cards enough to pay THREE figures for a card should be able to tell the difference between trimmed and not trimmed, when it's to those degrees. Obviously it's harder to tell until they get the card in hand, but as soon as they do...

Nobody who buys a trimmed card has any excuse.

The person who bought the DiMaggio in 2021 knew exactly what he got moments after he received it.

Nice looking slab, though.

Doug "I wish I could get trimmed to an 8.5" Goodman

[Johnny630]

For the most part, investors don’t care what may have been done to a card as long as it’s in a PSA Slab with a number grade it’s gold. This is the bottom line of where we are at in 2023.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

For the most part, investors don’t care what may have been done to a card as long as it’s in a PSA Slab with a number grade it’s gold. This is the bottom line of where we are at in 2023.

I don't think that's true. I think they don't know. They assume the TPGs are making sure the cards are not altered.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

WIth a card like this in that high a grade holder, there really should be a presumption that it's been altered, IMO, even if it may be hard to tell given the expertise of the work.\

BTW I wonder if Dave Forman graded this one personally. I'll leave it at that.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

WIth a card like this in that high a grade holder, there really should be a presumption that it's been altered, IMO, even if it may be hard to tell given the expertise of the work.

Amazing that it got graded. But it sure looks great in that tux!

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

WIth a card like this in that high a grade holder, there really should be a presumption that it's been altered, IMO, even if it may be hard to tell given the expertise of the work.\

BTW I wonder if Dave Forman graded this one personally. I'll leave it at that.

More like Eric was running late for a date and palmed the job off on Hyde

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

For the most part, investors don’t care what may have been done to a card as long as it’s in a PSA Slab with a number grade it’s gold. This is the bottom line of where we are at in 2023.

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I don't think that's true. I think they don't know. They assume the TPGs are making sure the cards are not altered.

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Bbwaa....and that isn't supposed to mean BB writers association of America...

Bbwaa... I guess that's the point, they're trusting the TPGs. Trust'em? Bbwaa...

Bbwaa...

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Fred

Bbwaa....and that isn't supposed to mean BB writers association of America...



Bbwaa... I guess that's the point, they're trusting the TPGs. Trust'em? Bbwaa...



Bbwaa...

Yep, exactly.

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[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I don't think that's true. I think they don't know. They assume the TPGs are making sure the cards are not altered.

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Very possible but my point is they don't want to know or care to know. It's in a holder end of the discussion for the investor it's good to go.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Very possible but my point is they don't want to know or care to know. It's in a holder end of the discussion for the investor it's good to go.

That's not true, either. Anyone that is concerned about future value wants to know their card is legit. No "investor" wants to be sitting on a fake.

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[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

For the most part, investors don’t care what may have been done to a card as long as it’s in a PSA Slab with a number grade it’s gold. This is the bottom line of where we are at in 2023.

100 percent Johnny. Many of these “collectors” have bowed down to the almighty grading card companies. As long as the card is in a holder and is high grade, they don’t care what was done to it.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

For the most part, investors don’t care what may have been done to a card as long as it’s in a PSA Slab with a number grade it’s gold. This is the bottom line of where we are at in 2023.

Sad but true commentary. As long as someone can flip the card for a profit and not have to be held responsible for the actual condition/state of the card because people blindly rely on TPGs that fall back on "subjectivity" (or worse).

Back in the day the biggest concern about slabbed cards was that someone would exchange/swap a card in the holder (WIWAG was one of the first) and defraud people to make their money. Today, TPGs grade on a much larger scale and do it less accurately which results in a lot of people that are not getting what they paid for. What boggles the mind is that we're not talking hundreds of dollars but 10s of thousands of dollars (and more).

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Fred

Sad but true commentary. As long as someone can flip the card for a profit and not have to be held responsible for the actual condition/state of the card because people blindly rely on TPGs that fall back on "subjectivity" (or worse).

Back in the day the biggest concern about slabbed cards was that someone would exchange/swap a card in the holder (WIWAG was one of the first) and defraud people to make their money. Today, TPGs grade on a much larger scale and do it less accurately which results in a lot of people that are not getting what they paid for. What boggles the mind is that we're not talking hundreds of dollars but 10s of thousands of dollars (and more).

PSA Wouldnt have graded this it's so narrow a blind bat could tell it's trimmed. SGC to me losses credibility with this one...sad hope they tighten up.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

PSA Wouldnt have graded this it's so narrow a blind bat could tell it's trimmed.

I know you've been paying attention. Not sure why you'd trust them either.

Remember, they knew Gary was passing trimmed cards through them 20 years ago, and did nothing to stop it. And many of the cards outed over the last five years have been laughable, even from PSA.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

PSA Wouldnt have graded this it's so narrow a blind bat could tell it's trimmed. SGC to me losses credibility with this one...sad hope they tighten up.

It looks narrow compared to the very wide SGC 80. Not so sure it looks that narrow compared to the average card in this issue. I am guessing if someone had just posted the 8.5 by itself, you wouldn't be making that blind bat comment.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

PSA Wouldnt have graded this it's so narrow a blind bat could tell it's trimmed. SGC to me losses credibility with this one...sad hope they tighten up.

They wouldn't?

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

For the most part, investors don’t care what may have been done to a card as long as it’s in a PSA Slab with a number grade it’s gold. This is the bottom line of where we are at in 2023.

Very true, Johnny, but should this card surface again in the marketplace, then many folks with long memories will stay well clear.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Very true, Johnny, but should this card surface again in the marketplace, then many folks with long memories will stay well clear.

Agree and hope so :-)

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Very true, Johnny, but should this card surface again in the marketplace, then many folks with long memories will stay well clear.

For most of us this would be true but most of us could not afford to spend 6 figures on a card. Those who can seem to have quite a large appetite for overlooking such details and simply want a card that absent the alteration might not ever exist.

[conor912]

This is why TPGs should use a minimum size requirement for cards with RAZOR sharp corners. admit they have no idea how to perform the one service they are expected to.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

This is why TPGs should use a minimum size requirement for cards with RAZOR sharp corners. admit they have no idea how to perform the one service they are expected to.

You are assuming it wasn't done knowingly.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You are assuming it wasn't done knowingly.

A $100,000 card has to be reviewed by the head grader, I would think. It's hard to believe that SGC blew that review because of incompetence.

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You are assuming it wasn't done knowingly.

It is about a 50/50 shot on being complete incompetence depending on who the submitter is.