Who is the greatest player of all time by position?

[Carter08]

All due respect for Schmidt and Brett and others but the position that surprises me the most is third base. Sort of surprised there hasn’t been a truly dominant winner for that position. I think of A Rod as more of a SS and also a cheater. Could be that third base is very dependent on defense so you can’t just throw a good hitter over there and hope for the best.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Carter08

All due respect for Schmidt and Brett and others but the position that surprises me the most is third base. Sort of surprised there hasn’t been a truly dominant winner for that position. I think of A Rod as more of a SS and also a cheater. Could be that third base is very dependent on defense so you can’t just throw a good hitter over there and hope for the best.

Schmidt won 10 Gold Gloves in his career.

[mrreality68]

Or for third base if you want a great 3rd baseman that also won 16 Gold Gloves how about Brooks Robinson

18-time All-Star (1960-74*), 16 Gold Gloves ('60-75), MVP (1964), All-Star MVP ('66), World Series MVP ('70), Hall of Fame ('83)

*Played in two All-Star Games in '60, '61 and '62

Championships
2 -- Baltimore (1966, '70)

Career stats
.267/.322/.401, OPS -- .723, Hits -- 2,848, HRs -- 268, RBIs -- 1,357


Cannot go wrong with him if you want to skip over Schmidt

[clydepepper]

My Picks:

P-Walter Johnson
C-Johnny Bench
1B-Lou Gehrig
2B-Joe Morgan
SS-Honus Wagner
3B-Mike Schmidt
OF-Willie Mays
OF-Babe Ruth
OF-Ty Cobb



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[Carter08]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Or for third base if you want a great 3rd baseman that also won 16 Gold Gloves how about Brooks Robinson

18-time All-Star (1960-74*), 16 Gold Gloves ('60-75), MVP (1964), All-Star MVP ('66), World Series MVP ('70), Hall of Fame ('83)

*Played in two All-Star Games in '60, '61 and '62

Championships
2 -- Baltimore (1966, '70)

Career stats
.267/.322/.401, OPS -- .723, Hits -- 2,848, HRs -- 268, RBIs -- 1,357


Cannot go wrong with him if you want to skip over Schmidt

Agreed. I’m just surprised there hasn’t been a true one ring to rule them all player at 3rd. Love Brooksie by the way.

[Eric72]

1. Willie Mays, CF
2. Honus Wagner, SS
3. Babe Ruth, LF
4. Hank Aaron, RF
5. Lou Gehrig, 1B
6. Rogers Hornsby, 2B
7. Mike Schmidt, 3B
8. Yogi Berra, C
9. Walter Johnson, P

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Or for third base if you want a great 3rd baseman that also won 16 Gold Gloves how about Brooks Robinson

18-time All-Star (1960-74*), 16 Gold Gloves ('60-75), MVP (1964), All-Star MVP ('66), World Series MVP ('70), Hall of Fame ('83)

*Played in two All-Star Games in '60, '61 and '62

Championships
2 -- Baltimore (1966, '70)

Career stats
.267/.322/.401, OPS -- .723, Hits -- 2,848, HRs -- 268, RBIs -- 1,357


Cannot go wrong with him if you want to skip over Schmidt

I'm not sure why you would take Brooks Robinson over Schmidt. Schmidt's numbers are better in almost every category except for gold gloves and hits, and Robinson had around 1600 more plate appearances to get to his hit total while having the same career batting average and a much lower OBP and OPS. Schmidt is also way ahead in WAR and had 3 MVPs and a WS MVP in 1980.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'm not sure why you would take Brooks Robinson over Schmidt. Schmidt's numbers are better in almost every category except for gold gloves and hits, and Robinson had around 1600 more plate appearances to get to his hit total while having the same career batting average and a much lower OBP and OPS. Schmidt is also way ahead in WAR and had 3 MVPs and a WS MVP in 1980.

Hi

I did not pick Robinson over Schmidt. One someone said that defense was so important and it is not all about offense first I said Schmidt had ten gold gloves and then I said if you did not want Schmidt then Robinson would be a good pick based on them wanting a combo of offense and defense if Schmidt did not meet their criteria.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Hi

I did not pick Robinson over Schmidt. One someone said that defense was so important and it is not all about offense first I said Schmidt had ten gold gloves and then I said if you did not want Schmidt then Robinson would be a good pick based on them wanting a combo of offense and defense if Schmidt did not meet their criteria.

I didn’t say defense was so important in any argument against Schmidt and he’s my pick. What I was saying is that it’s surprising to me that third base has not produced a true icon of the game like OF or 1B or 2B. Schmidt is a ridiculously good player but he’s not a Ted Williams or Hornsby level guy in my humble opinion.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I didn’t say defense was so important in any argument against Schmidt and he’s my pick. What I was saying is that it’s surprising to me that third base has not produced a true icon of the game like OF or 1B or 2B. Schmidt is a ridiculously good player but he’s not a Ted Williams or Hornsby level guy in my humble opinion.

understood I misunderstood and you are 100% right on your point.

But on the flip side it was good for me to misunderstand it made me dig into third baseman and I learned alot more.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'm not sure why you would take Brooks Robinson over Schmidt. Schmidt's numbers are better in almost every category except for gold gloves and hits, and Robinson had around 1600 more plate appearances to get to his hit total while having the same career batting average and a much lower OBP and OPS. Schmidt is also way ahead in WAR and had 3 MVPs and a WS MVP in 1980.

It surprises me how many people either overlook, or are unaware of, Schmidt's 10 Gold Gloves.

[Rad_Hazard]

Originally Posted by Eric72

It surprises me how many people either overlook, or are unaware of, Schmidt's 10 Gold Gloves.

Count me as one of them. I'm actually a bit surprised on how far ahead Schmidt is of the competition. He's not "blowing them out of the water", but he's the clear pick for GOAT 3B.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Rad_Hazard

Count me as one of them. I'm actually a bit surprised on how far ahead Schmidt is of the competition. He's not "blowing them out of the water", but he's the clear pick for GOAT 3B.

I agree. He’s the clear pick, but also possibly the weakest player on the all-time team. C and 3B seem to be the weakest positions that it would be easiest for a player to come along and dethrone. Boggs, Brett, Baker, Brooks, Mathews, Chipper, all are well below Schmidt. 3B skews pretty modern.