ebay authenticity guarantee limits now 250/750

[BobbyStrawberry]

Is it still "free for a limited time"?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Is it still "free for a limited time"?

Yeah. But at some point someone will have to pay for the review, assembly in one of those stupid folders, and shipping. For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah. But at some point someone will have to pay for the review, assembly in one of those stupid folders, and shipping. For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

I'm guessing it will be the seller who ends up having to foot the bill...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I'm guessing it will be the seller who ends up having to foot the bill...

No doubt at least until it gets passed on. I don't get it. I can't imagine buyers view this as adding any value for graded cards, and it's just going to piss off sellers and raise prices.

[G1911]

What happens when it's a card the graders don't know or touch? Like an unchecklisted cabinet card that PSA won't grade? Anyone have a direct experience with what they do under this program?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wonder how PSA got the gig for graded cards, what with its backlog of subs over a year old.

[michael3322]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wonder how PSA got the gig for graded cards, what with its backlog of subs over a year old.

Any chance anyone here knows someone at eBay that can explain or be interviewed on a sports card podcast? They must have a plan, even if it isn't being shared publicly right now. Would be great to know more about the terms/edge cases.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by G1911

What happens when it's a card the graders don't know or touch? Like an unchecklisted cabinet card that PSA won't grade? Anyone have a direct experience with what they do under this program?

I sold a Joe Choynski cabinet a little while ago. They made me send it to their authentication center.

I got a note that it didn't qualify for authentication as it was listed in the wrong section (Trading cards and opposed to photos, I assume), and sent it along to my buyer without authenticating.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I sold a Joe Choynski cabinet a little while ago. They made me send it to their authentication center.

I got a note that it didn't qualify for authentication as it was listed in the wrong section (Trading cards and opposed to photos, I assume), and sent it along to my buyer without authenticating.

That's better than what I was fearing they would do. Thank you

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by G1911

What happens when it's a card the graders don't know or touch? Like an unchecklisted cabinet card that PSA won't grade? Anyone have a direct experience with what they do under this program?

When I sold a card recently (already in a holder) on eBay and it had to be checked, the shipping label was directed to a specific named person at PSA. So my suspicious is they hired a bunch of newbies at least on the already graded piece of this and gave them a few hours training on what a holder and what a tampered with holder look like. And then say that's what you are to do for 8 hours a day, get going.

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I'm guessing it will be the seller who ends up having to foot the bill...

My guess is it’s in eBays best interest to do this if it costs them a small amount to avoid not only the fake raw cards but also the scams where the card is never sent out since now they hold the money until it clears verification. This way they aren’t paying out item not received claims or incorrect item claims and the seller closing the account before the money can be taking back. Since it’s verifyinfnand not slabbing my guess is the cost at bulk for them isn’t much and is a much cheaper hit than refunds with their guarantee.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by dmats33312

My guess is it’s in eBays best interest to do this if it costs them a small amount to avoid not only the fake raw cards but also the scams where the card is never sent out since now they hold the money until it clears verification.

They don't hold the money until it clears verification. I sold a card on Friday, May 13th, shipped it to the "authenticator" on Monday, May 16th and I received the payout in my bank on Tuesday, May 17th.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah. But at some point someone will have to pay for the review, assembly in one of those stupid folders, and shipping. For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

That is frustrating. Pay more, wait longer and potential issues in between. Especially with graded cards cannot say that makes much sense

[HistoricNewspapers]

I sold a PSA graded card to a Canadian buyer but it does not have me sending it for any authenticating. Are they not doing it for out of country sales?

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

That is frustrating. Pay more, wait longer and potential issues in between. Especially with graded cards cannot say that makes much sense

This isn’t much of a problem, need to wait a few more days to ensure not only the item is authentic but the seller is too. Considering during peak covid it could take months to receive a package I don’t see a few more days being an issue (only issue I have is I’m unsure how it is guarantee from authenticator to final address from loss or damage.)

[jchcollins]

Not really sure the point of grading cards that are already graded, but unfortunately this is the next logical step in the insanity of a TPG world that already has purple labels and Brent-approved stickers for how nice your grade is or is not.

I've been less than thrilled with eBay for some time, and for all practical purposes quit selling cards there about a year ago. Looks like my timing was pretty good...

[x2drich2000]

Just a few more questions, is Ebay (or PSA or whoever), sending the packages out insured? What happens if USPS loses a package between the review and the buyer getting the card? Who is responsible?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Not really sure the point of grading cards that are already graded, but unfortunately this is the next logical step in the insanity of a TPG world that already has purple labels and Brent-approved stickers for how nice your grade is or is not.

I've been less than thrilled with eBay for some time, and for all practical purposes quit selling cards there about a year ago. Looks like my timing was pretty good...

They aren't grading the card again, they are just trying to verify that the slab has not been tampered with.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by jayshum

They aren't grading the card again, they are just trying to verify that the slab has not been tampered with.

Ok. But it is authenticating cards that have already been graded, which is very close to the same thing.

Sorry, but an experienced collector cannot tell this from the scans before they buy? If the scans are of such poor quality that I cannot tell on eBay, I'm not pulling the trigger. A card that has been tampered with or a slab that gets damaged in the mail was already covered by the eBay guarantee - which is actually quite good.

I'd rather the card get to me quicker and take the risk (that pays off 95% of the time or more) that everything is just fine than have to send an SGC slab to PSA so that PSA can say the slab is not compromised on every single card over a certain amount. Sorry, that's just silly. I've had slabs arrive that are cracked in a way I didn't notice before I bought them. I've either sent them back in working with the seller, or had eBay step in on the rare occasion where the seller didn't want to play ball. It always works out. I'd rather do that only when I have to and trust the process that works the rest of the time. I guess I get what eBay is trying to do, I just think it should be optional.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jayshum

They aren't grading the card again, they are just trying to verify that the slab has not been tampered with.

Is PSA more capable of identifying altered slabs than they are at identifying altered cards?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Not really sure the point of grading cards that are already graded, but unfortunately this is the next logical step in the insanity of a TPG world that already has purple labels and Brent-approved stickers for how nice your grade is or is not.

I've been less than thrilled with eBay for some time, and for all practical purposes quit selling cards there about a year ago. Looks like my timing was pretty good...

I don't think Ebay has anyone grading cards that are already graded. My understanding is Ebay is having PSA review the holders of graded cards to make sure they are legit and haven't been tampered with. Not sure if they're also supposed to review the flips to make sure they're legit and accurate a well. That, to me, is way different that re-grading cards that have already been graded.

It is also a bit concerning because how and when did PSA suddenly become an expert in reviewing slabs, especially any other TPGs slabs? The TPGs most likely all contract with outside companies to design and manufacture the slabs they put cards in, and have people in their employ just learn what they need to seal them. Not sure how that specifically qualifies any TPG as an expert to review and determine that slabs may have been tampered with, or that they are legitimate to the TPG that supposedly issued them. I would think someone with the slab manufacturers and/or their designers, and a background in plastics, would actually be a much better choice. And if they are also concerned with the flips, and possible counterfeiting of them, PSA will certainly have full access to all their own graded cards records to be able to check cert #s and such, but how are they going to have such access to other TPG's records? And on the surface, this also can easily appear to be an inherent conflict of interest in that PSA is now looking at other TPG's slabs and can raise concerns and issues about them, while possibly passing on concerns and issues that may exist with their own slabs. I'm in no way saying they're doing that, but it is usually best to be independent in fact, AND APPEARANCE, when doing something like this.

I'm guessing that the actual card graders at PSA have little, if anything at all, to do with this graded card slab authentication program they're now involved in with Ebay. Many people have voiced concerns about how PSA has a huge grading backlog they are still dealing with, so they question how can they take on additional work like this for Ebay? I'm guessing the slab authentication is handled by none of the actual card graders at PSA, and is really having no impact on their grading backlog and getting caught up on it. Just speculation on my part.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by BobC

I don't think Ebay has anyone grading cards that are already graded. My understanding is Ebay is having PSA review the holders of graded cards to make sure they are legit and haven't been tampered with. Not sure if they're also supposed to review the flips to make sure they're legit and accurate a well. That, to me, is way different that re-grading cards that have already been graded.

It is also a bit concerning because how and when did PSA suddenly become an expert in reviewing slabs, especially any other TPGs slabs? The TPGs most likely all contract with outside companies to design and manufacture the slabs they put cards in, and have people in their employ just learn what they need to seal them. Not sure how that specifically qualifies any TPG as an expert to review and determine that slabs may have been tampered with, or that they are legitimate to the TPG that supposedly issued them. I would think someone with the slab manufacturers and/or their designers, and a background in plastics, would actually be a much better choice. And if they are also concerned with the flips, and possible counterfeiting of them, PSA will certainly have full access to all their own graded cards records to be able to check cert #s and such, but how are they going to have such access to other TPG's records? And on the surface, this also can easily appear to be an inherent conflict of interest in that PSA is now looking at other TPG's slabs and can raise concerns and issues about them, while possibly passing on concerns and issues that may exist with their own slabs. I'm in no way saying they're doing that, but it is usually best to be independent in fact, AND APPEARANCE, when doing something like this.

I'm guessing that the actual card graders at PSA have little, if anything at all, to do with this graded card slab authentication program they're now involved in with Ebay. Many people have voiced concerns about how PSA has a huge grading backlog they are still dealing with, so they question how can they take on additional work like this for Ebay? I'm guessing the slab authentication is handled by none of the actual card graders at PSA, and is really having no impact on their grading backlog and getting caught up on it. Just speculation on my part.

To me it's all just more noise on top of noise. Flooding the proverbial zone...

All of the respected TPG's have had major trust issues at some point in their respective histories. Whether or not they have recovered / earned trust again is largely up to individual collectors. Clearly the PSA base was not significantly, if at all damaged - by PWCC-gate and related events since 2019.

eBay suddenly raising their heads to care about this at all out of nowhere is amusing to me if nothing else - they never before and do not now have the first bit of common hobby knowledge about sportscards, and until now have not ever pretended to act like they care. This is the company that still highlights $200k Fleer Jose Uribe cards in my social media feeds, for cripes sake.

[rjackson44]

This is insane

[babraham]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

+1
Agreed.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For graded cards this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Complete Stupidity -

MySlabs keeps looking better all the time

At some point they gonna be sittin around the eBay Boardroom asking each other "How did we manage to break this thing?"

[Lorewalker]

Was just skimming over the terms for the slab/label review. eBay has always been overly thorough in their terms. Suspending just how pointless and incomplete this process is, I managed to read this:

You acknowledge and agree that if the third-party authenticator detects fraud or suspects that an item is counterfeit, the item will be removed from marketplace circulation and, if the card was graded by PSA, PSA will deactivate its certificate. If the slab is counterfeit or tampered with but the underlying card is authentic and has not been compromised, PSA will re-holder the card and create a new certification before sending the card to the buyer. In addition, eBay will work with the proper authorities as needed and reserves the right to confiscate or destroy any items determined to be counterfeit.

PSA is validating at least 3 other TPG holders so the question is why? They have no expertise or experience with those holders.

This also suggests they are looking at the cards at least for being counterfeit. All grading companies have graded counterfeit cards...PSA may have graded the most. In that remote case in which they id a counterfeit card they are simply going to remove it. No recourse to the eBay seller who may have innocently purchased a counterfeit card in a legit TPG holder?

And finally, love the "You acknowledge and agree..." part. The program is being imposed on us. Not like we are opting into it if we like it. If we want to sell TPG cards on eBay that are over $750 we have no choice but to acknowledge and agree.

[EddieP]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Is it still "free for a limited time"?

Yes.

[x2drich2000]

Anyone know what they are going to do if PSA decides a graded card is not authentic or that the case has been altered? What if the card is misgraded? Would PSA have the authority to confiscate the item or remove it from the case?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Anyone know what they are going to do if PSA decides a graded card is not authentic or that the case has been altered? What if the card is misgraded? Would PSA have the authority to confiscate the item or remove it from the case?

What if they decide the same about SGC cards?

I could be wrong but I think they have the whole graded card gig. Someone please correct me if I am wrong?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Anyone know what they are going to do if PSA decides a graded card is not authentic or that the case has been altered? What if the card is misgraded? Would PSA have the authority to confiscate the item or remove it from the case?

PSA is not authenticating the card. They are only authenticating that the holder has not been tampered with.

https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity-...dingcards/#faq