New Ebay Authentication service

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by LEHR

So eventually I'd have to send in a $250 card to this service that's already been authenticated by PSA/SGC,...that's mind boggling to me and completely ridiculous. This would definitely make me stop selling everything on eBay that I know will even get close to that $250 dollar mark.
What a shit show.

I KNOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

Here is my ebay process now:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to buyer and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

Now the new process is going to be:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to CSG and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

I DON'T THINK I CAN ADAPT! HELP!!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I KNOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

Here is my ebay process now:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to buyer and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

Now the new process is going to be:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to CSG and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

I DON'T THINK I CAN ADAPT! HELP!!

LOL, that is the post of the day.

It is a huge inconvenience and can see how some just want to throw in the towel.

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I KNOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

Here is my ebay process now:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to buyer and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

Now the new process is going to be:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to CSG and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

I DON'T THINK I CAN ADAPT! HELP!!

I understand you're just being a sarcastic smartass, but if you think this is going to go smoothly you are mistaken. You do what you want with your cards but I will not be sending my already graded cards to someone else to be authenticated a second time. Sure this is a free service in the beginning; but it will turn into another way for eBay to nickel and dime sellers before it's over. It will end up being much easier to just send everything to an AH and be done with it.

[Ray Van]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I understand you're just being a sarcastic smartass, but if you think this is going to go smoothly you are mistaken. You do what you want with your cards but I will not be sending my already graded cards to someone else to be authenticated a second time. Sure this is a free service in the beginning; but it will turn into another way for eBay to nickel and dime sellers before it's over. It will end up being much easier to just send everything to an AH and be done with it.

Not to mention the additional time it will take for the buyer to receive the card despite what eBay is saying about a quick turnaround time. That’s BS of the highest degree. For a company highlighting the explosive growth in cards, they are doing a great job forcing buyers and sellers off their site due to their stupid policies.

[Ray Van]

I've been on eBay since 1997 and have over 4000 completed purchases. Of these, about 50 were lost in the mail or received but not as described. In most cases I was able to work it out directly with the seller or through eBay's resolution process to get a refund. That's about 1.5% of my purchases where I was not satisfied, which was higher than I thought but probably about as expected. Granted I don't play in the $750+ zone, but is this really that much of an issue where this was required? Seems to me the fakes are fairly obvious, and where they are not they sometimes fool the grading companies which makes the CGC/CSG part a moot point. It's not like this process would have picked up on Logan Paul's fake Pokémon case, the fake authenticated Messi signatures, or the Chrome wiped and re-signed cards that have been in the news recently.

Oh wait ... "Not only is the new card packaging secure and stylish, but it was also designed to be folded into a stand—perfect for showing your cards off." I changed my mind, this is the best thing ever!!!

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Ray Van

...is this really that much of an issue where this was required? Seems to me the fakes are fairly obvious...

What may seem obvious to Net54 members often passes right under the nose of other collectors. Quite a large percentage of them hadn't even started participating in the hobby until 2020. I believe that's where eBay might have been coming from with this program; to make things more secure for newbies.

In theory, it sounds similar to what PSA/SGC/Beckett have been doing for years...offering peace of mind to people without the experience to properly evaluate their own cards.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Eric72

What may seem obvious to Net54 members often passes right under the nose of other collectors. Quite a large percentage of them hadn't even started participating in the hobby until 2020. I believe that's where eBay might have been coming from with this program; to make things more secure for newbies.

In theory, it sounds similar to what PSA/SGC/Beckett have been doing for years...offering peace of mind to people without the experience to properly evaluate their own cards.

Correct, and when those unsuspecting buyers return the cards, the seller has closed their DDA and eBay has to make the buyer whole. Or, the buyer finds out 2 years down the road the card is fake and will never buy from eBay again. I have to imagine eBay's losses in the collectables segment are huge.

I think that is what most are missing, the financial and reputational risk that is at stake for eBay with high value cards, and the never ending scams taking place in the hobby.

Personally I think this is a good move. And as a new collector, I would have felt this was a great move.

[RL]

scammers will price at $749 to avoid authentication

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I understand you're just being a sarcastic smartass, but if you think this is going to go smoothly you are mistaken. You do what you want with your cards but I will not be sending my already graded cards to someone else to be authenticated a second time. Sure this is a free service in the beginning; but it will turn into another way for eBay to nickel and dime sellers before it's over. It will end up being much easier to just send everything to an AH and be done with it.

I see. Worried about how to sell all your GMA cards now?

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[Buythatcard]

If I sell a card for over $750, I will now have to get it authenticated by eBay. Instead of arriving in 3 - 4 days at the buyers residence, it will now arrive in a week or two.

What happens if I have an impatient buyer who now blames me for the delay in receiving his card? What prevents him from leaving Negative feedback because it took too long for the card to arrive from eBay's authentication process? Will eBay still allow buyers to leave a negative due to the delay in receiving their card?

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

If I sell a card for over $750, I will now have to get it authenticated by eBay. Instead of arriving in 3 - 4 days at the buyers residence, it will now arrive in a week or two.

What happens if I have an impatient buyer who now blames me for the delay in receiving his card? What prevents him from leaving Negative feedback because it took too long for the card to arrive from eBay's authentication process? Will eBay still allow buyers to leave a negative due to the delay in receiving their card?

I'm sure Ebay will remove that negative, they removed tons of slow shipping negatives during the pandemic.

[icurnmedic]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I'm sure Ebay will remove that negative, they removed tons of slow shipping negatives during the pandemic.

Definitely not my experience pre pandemic. One of several reasons I quit selling on eBay.
Post Pandemic, maybe, but definitely not pre.
Thomas

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

Definitely not my experience pre pandemic. One of several reasons I quit selling on eBay.
Post Pandemic, maybe, but definitely not pre.
Thomas

During the pandemic, mail was incredibly slow because of lack of employees. Thats why Ebay removed negatives when sellers asked.

Why would Ebay remove negatives for slow shipping, before the pandemic? There were some delays as always, but it was not the system wide problem that it later became.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

If I sell a card for over $750, I will now have to get it authenticated by eBay. Instead of arriving in 3 - 4 days at the buyers residence, it will now arrive in a week or two.

What happens if I have an impatient buyer who now blames me for the delay in receiving his card? What prevents him from leaving Negative feedback because it took too long for the card to arrive from eBay's authentication process? Will eBay still allow buyers to leave a negative due to the delay in receiving their card?

I think this will be the crux of problems with this also. I don't mind personally but I think it will bring a bunch of negs from long arrival times.

The general public can usually be confidently relied on to be moronic.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think this will be the crux of problems with this also. I don't mind personally but I think it will bring a bunch of negs from long arrival times.

The general public can usually be confidently relied on to be moronic.

[Kris19]

Update:
The seller mailed the card on Monday. Today, I received the following email from eBay

Hi Kris,
Our authentication partner received your item from the seller but, unfortunately, it didn’t pass inspection. We assess items covered by Authenticity Guarantee against the highest standards, and reject items for a variety of reasons, including damaged packaging, missing accessories, not matching the seller’s description, or an inability to confirm authenticity.

I also received a notice from PayPal stating I received a full refund.

So, from the day the seller finally mailed the card, it only took 4 days (and most of that was USPS). The success of the program will be determined over the long term, but in this case, they certainly met expectations.

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I see. Worried about how to sell all your GMA cards now?

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LOL. You must be a miserable individual with nothing to do.
Have a good day and try to relax.

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

I guess I'm a little surprised that the overwhelming majority of collectors on this thread are viewing this so negatively.

I agree there are definite negatives...mostly the delay in paying for a card and then receiving it. Depending on how backed up they get, the delay might be significant. And they definitely need "authenticators" that know their stuff...especially on rare vintage.

However, there is also a lot of upside. Hopefully eBay scammers will start to think twice now about listing their fakes because they know they have to go through an extra layer of authentication, and can't count on the fact they can just scam a new collector that may not know what to look for in identifying fakes. I'm hoping to see a lot less "found this card in my uncle's attic" Babe Ruth listings now.

I for one have NEVER spent more than $200 on a raw card for fear of fakes...even though I prefer raw cards in binders, I have relied on SGC and PSA slabs for those expensive cards because of the extra protection (I know, I know, they have slabbed fakes....but it is NOT common and you are much less likely to get a fake slabbed card from one of the major graders as opposed to buying raw).

I still may not buy raw cards over $200...however, hopefully I start hearing good things from fellow Net54 members who have gone through this new service and have positive feedback about it protecting them from fake cards. If this service does what's advertised, it opens up a new collecting avenue....which is higher dollar RAW cards in my collection...which I honestly prefer. And on top of that, maybe this will keep prices lower on some of those cards because sellers won't feel the need to grade and then recoup the currently outrageous grading fees for these cards when they put them up for sale.

So after thinking through it, I'll go on record as saying I'm cautiously optimistic. We'll see!