T206 Magie (PSA 1) on eBay altered?

[Bobbycee]

Hmmmm. I wonder why the auction was shut down. Perhaps some sunlight being the best disinfectant, in the form of this thread? Sure hope so. Crooks be damned!

[Kevin]

I am thankful I was directed to this forum by the The Monster Podcast. What a wealth of information and some fantastic fellows...

[christopher.herman]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

Hmmmm. I wonder why the auction was shut down. Perhaps some sunlight being the best disinfectant, in the form of this thread? Sure hope so. Crooks be damned!

There is a special place in hell for these greedy card "doctors".

[x2drich2000]

Chris good catch.

I guess I'm going to be the only one to say it, but I think whoever did the work on this card actually did a pretty good job. PSA definitely still should have detected it. But strictly from an aesthetic standpoint, I think the card looks nicer now.

[Yoda]

And the sad thing is the potential buyer perhaps, or more likely than not, knowing the card has been improved to a much sweeter 1 than previously, now has the new standard for a 1 and when they go to sell, a profit is locked in.

In all my years in the hobby, I've never seen such corruption as is the case today. Comparatively speaking, before the advent of TPG'ers there was peace in the valley and then along came Mastro and his band of merry men. Everything seems to have gone pear shaped.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by christopher.herman

There is a special place in hell for these greedy card "doctors".

I've heard it said that "hell" is personalized to the individual. Whatever would most torment their soul is the agony to which they'll be subjected.

Hopefully, "card doctor hell" is a endless process of:

• repeatedly submitting cards
• experiencing longer turnaround times with each sub
• always getting an Auth grade.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I've heard it said that "hell" is personalized to the individual. Whatever would most torment their soul is the agony to which they'll be subjected.

Mine would be listening to Justin Bieber songs on a loupe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I've heard it said that "hell" is personalized to the individual. Whatever would most torment their soul is the agony to which they'll be subjected.

Hopefully, "card doctor hell" is a endless process of:

• repeatedly submitting cards
• experiencing longer turnaround times with each sub
• always getting an Auth grade.

L'infer, c'est les autres.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

Hmmmm. I wonder why the auction was shut down. Perhaps some sunlight being the best disinfectant, in the form of this thread? Sure hope so. Crooks be damned!

I (for one) emailed them directly with an unfriendly letter. I'm sure a few others probably did the same. Until Law Enforcement decides to crack down on these purveyors of fraud, we must do what we can to stop this.

Still not a fan of theirs, but I will say that PWCC is quicker to act than Heritage. That's about as close to a positive statement as I can make about them.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I (for one) emailed them directly with an unfriendly letter. I'm sure a few others probably did the same. Until Law Enforcement decides to crack down on these purveyors of fraud, we must do what we can to stop this.

Still not a fan of theirs, but I will say that PWCC is quicker to act than Heritage. That's about as close to a positive statement as I can make about them.

PWCC obviously did not submit the card to be graded since it was in its current holder when SCP sold it in 2019. Assuming the card was consigned to them, they have removed it from Ebay. What else could they do? Obviously they know the scrutiny they are under and perhaps that is the reason for the quick hook but you are correct, the major auction houses would not have pulled it and it will resurface in one of them soon. They place liability squarely on the grading company and wash their hands of any issues. They cover their own interest.

[atx840]

"Thank you! The card has been taken down and the owner will have the card reviewed by PSA."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by atx840

"Thank you! The card has been taken down and the owner will have the card reviewed by PSA."

And if PSA OK's that one, the legitimacy of PSA and its new ownership is dead.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And if PSA OK's that one, the legitimacy of PSA and its new ownership is dead.

And if they take it off the market the new owners and PSA will have redeemed themselves?

There have been so many of these presented to them--that scream having been altered--so would one more of those really hurt them? I think they could leave it in the holder and it would have no further impact on their rep. People will post how horrible they are and then the same guys bid in the next big auction and buy a 200K card in a PSA slab or spend 600K on several and then do it again a month later. Those guys are my favorite.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

And if they take it off the market the new owners and PSA will have redeemed themselves?

There have been so many of these presented to them--that scream having been altered--so would one more of those really hurt them? I think they could leave it in the holder and it would have no further impact on their rep. People will post how horrible they are and then the same guys bid in the next big auction and buy a 200K card in a PSA slab or spend 600K on several and then do it again a month later. Those guys are my favorite.

Well maybe I overstated it a bit but I like hyperbole sometimes.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

And if they take it off the market the new owners and PSA will have redeemed themselves?

Are the new owners searching for redemption already? There are so many scandals, it’s sometimes difficult to keep up. I could have missed one.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

And if they take it off the market the new owners and PSA will have redeemed themselves?

There have been so many of these presented to them--that scream having been altered--so would one more of those really hurt them? I think they could leave it in the holder and it would have no further impact on their rep. People will post how horrible they are and then the same guys bid in the next big auction and buy a 200K card in a PSA slab or spend 600K on several and then do it again a month later. Those guys are my favorite.

I don't care for PSA or SGC grading but I still buy cards in their holders. I just don't go by what they opined. I am more careful than they are.





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