PWCC Auctions this evening

[samosa4u]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-J...rdt=true&rt=nc

OC too!

[ullmandds]

I too was watching the m110 cobb...really nice example! Great pickup! Crazy how cobbs like this...dietsches...other rare caramels dont come near the prices common t206's fetch!

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-J...rdt=true&rt=nc

OC too!

This one has me thinking it is time to part ways with Mr. Robinson. As much as I wanted to pass a complete set down to my kids, that's a lot of money to turn away from.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Beginning of rant.

Being a known outlet for multiple card doctors (including himself) and being under FBI investigation seems a recipe for great hobby success and record price after record price.

End of rant.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Beginning of rant.

Being a known outlet for multiple card doctors (including himself) and being under FBI investigation seems a recipe for great hobby success and record price after record price.

End of rant.

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

Well at least those auctioneers won't have a federal guilty plea on their resume at the end of the day. It won't be nearly enough if that's all it is, but it's something I suppose. Now if we don't even get that, I will lose all faith, not that I haven't already.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

You can't and it is unfortunate. Apparently what took place in the late 2000s at Mastro Auctions today is ok. Back then to artificially increase the value of a card was grounds for a felony but today is in good clean hobby fun.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

You can't and it is unfortunate. Apparently what took place in the late 2000s at Mastro Auctions today is ok. Back then to artificially increase the value of a card was grounds for a felony but today is in good clean hobby fun.

Brent acknowledged in the great 2016 runup that some of his customers were intentionally trying to push up market values. One of those customers pretty much said it too. There was an interesting thread about the legitimacy of that and if memory serves some of the answers were to my mind inconsistent with prior views of what was wrongful shill bidding.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent acknowledged in the great 2016 runup that some of his customers were intentionally trying to push up market values. One of those customers pretty much said it too. There was an interesting thread about the legitimacy of that and if memory serves some of the answers were to my mind inconsistent with prior views of what was wrongful shill bidding.

Well the market seems to be...evolving...At one point altered cards being in holders was horrifying. Now it is commonplace and seems to be generally accepted, for a lack of a better word.

PWCC seems to be tied to both shilling and card altering AND is under investigation and nothing slowing down. Think that tells everyone all they need to know. Bad in 2010 but great in 2020.

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

I really liked that Walter Payton rookie you had last night. I was close to putting in one more bid.

[Schlesinj]

I know last night PWCC was auctioning off a Hank rookie and Jackie that was going to benefit a church or some religious not for profit. It got some news coverage too, so that probably helped with some bids.

[RCMcKenzie]

Congrats on the bat off Tinker, Jeff. I'm trying back runs for Tinker bat on and off. I'm glad an EPDG collector got at least one of them.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

I really liked that Walter Payton rookie you had last night. I was close to putting in one more bid.

It was a pretty special card. But then I look at top comps and wonder how one went for almost double what we got. Thanks for checking in with us though! I really do appreciate the support shown to me by so many members.

[pokerplyr80]

I was happy to win your 53 Paige last night and will be bidding in future auctions as well. I believe I have a few items consigned in your next auction too. Hope it's a good one for you!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by yanks87

This one has me thinking it is time to part ways with Mr. Robinson. As much as I wanted to pass a complete set down to my kids, that's a lot of money to turn away from.

I agree Brian,
I sent off my Mr. Robinson to REA on Friday. My instinct is telling me to sell into strength.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I agree Brian,
I sent off my Mr. Robinson to REA on Friday. My instinct is telling me to sell into strength.

Good call, what is yours graded? Having a PSA 4, and seeing them sell for that much, or even the $28k on the same night makes me think I could reload the war chest, and stash a couple $k for when (if) prices come down to pick up a lower grade one.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by yanks87

Good call, what is yours graded? Having a PSA 4, and seeing them sell for that much, or even the $28k on the same night makes me think I could reload the war chest, and stash a couple $k for when (if) prices come down to pick up a lower grade one.

52 Topps SGC 5 with great centering. I'll probably just use the money to go after one of my unicorns, such is the life of a collector.