PWCC Auctions this evening

[Peter_Spaeth]

Beginning of rant.

Being a known outlet for multiple card doctors (including himself) and being under FBI investigation seems a recipe for great hobby success and record price after record price.

End of rant.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Beginning of rant.

Being a known outlet for multiple card doctors (including himself) and being under FBI investigation seems a recipe for great hobby success and record price after record price.

End of rant.

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

Well at least those auctioneers won't have a federal guilty plea on their resume at the end of the day. It won't be nearly enough if that's all it is, but it's something I suppose. Now if we don't even get that, I will lose all faith, not that I haven't already.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

You can't and it is unfortunate. Apparently what took place in the late 2000s at Mastro Auctions today is ok. Back then to artificially increase the value of a card was grounds for a felony but today is in good clean hobby fun.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

You can't and it is unfortunate. Apparently what took place in the late 2000s at Mastro Auctions today is ok. Back then to artificially increase the value of a card was grounds for a felony but today is in good clean hobby fun.

Brent acknowledged in the great 2016 runup that some of his customers were intentionally trying to push up market values. One of those customers pretty much said it too. There was an interesting thread about the legitimacy of that and if memory serves some of the answers were to my mind inconsistent with prior views of what was wrongful shill bidding.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brent acknowledged in the great 2016 runup that some of his customers were intentionally trying to push up market values. One of those customers pretty much said it too. There was an interesting thread about the legitimacy of that and if memory serves some of the answers were to my mind inconsistent with prior views of what was wrongful shill bidding.

Well the market seems to be...evolving...At one point altered cards being in holders was horrifying. Now it is commonplace and seems to be generally accepted, for a lack of a better word.

PWCC seems to be tied to both shilling and card altering AND is under investigation and nothing slowing down. Think that tells everyone all they need to know. Bad in 2010 but great in 2020.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Well the market seems to be...evolving...At one point altered cards being in holders was horrifying. Now it is commonplace and seems to be generally accepted, for a lack of a better word.

PWCC seems to be tied to both shilling and card altering AND is under investigation and nothing slowing down. Think that tells everyone all they need to know. Bad in 2010 but great in 2020.

As I've said, sometime in the mid 2010s, the flip became the commodity for many (especially set registry collectors), not the card. The flip doesn't care if the card is altered as long as it isn't painfully obvious. It confers the same ego gratification, bragging rights, and value either way,

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I've said, sometime in the mid 2010s, the flip became the commodity for many (especially set registry collectors), not the card. The flip doesn't care if the card is altered as long as it isn't painfully obvious. It confers the same ego gratification, bragging rights, and value either way,

If flips are the collectible for the Registry, why even bother altering cards. Eliminate the cards, and merely alter the flips. Who needs card flippers, once the hobby is populated with flip flippers. At the National serve only pancakes and any other flippable food. Flip, flip flooray!!!

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Think of how random, unnamed honest auctioneers must feel! When you know potential consignors are looking at PWCC results and then your results how do you compete for those consignments?

I really liked that Walter Payton rookie you had last night. I was close to putting in one more bid.

[Schlesinj]

I know last night PWCC was auctioning off a Hank rookie and Jackie that was going to benefit a church or some religious not for profit. It got some news coverage too, so that probably helped with some bids.

[RCMcKenzie]

Congrats on the bat off Tinker, Jeff. I'm trying back runs for Tinker bat on and off. I'm glad an EPDG collector got at least one of them.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

I really liked that Walter Payton rookie you had last night. I was close to putting in one more bid.

It was a pretty special card. But then I look at top comps and wonder how one went for almost double what we got. Thanks for checking in with us though! I really do appreciate the support shown to me by so many members.

[pokerplyr80]

I was happy to win your 53 Paige last night and will be bidding in future auctions as well. I believe I have a few items consigned in your next auction too. Hope it's a good one for you!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not too shabby for a second year non HOFer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Topps-...T/143970127368

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not too shabby for a second year non HOFer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Topps-...T/143970127368

egads! they have like thousands of bond rookies!!!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not too shabby for a second year non HOFer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Topps-...T/143970127368

Might not be a HOFer but is arguably the greatest of all time.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not too shabby for a second year non HOFer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Topps-...T/143970127368

Not to get into modern card talk here, but I’ve got one of these Clemens in a 10, and will defend it....

There are 46 of these in a 10, out of over 1,400 graded - a 3% rate of getting a 10. In comparison, the whole 1985 Tiffany set has a 26% rate of getting a 10. So something is super tough about getting this card in a 10, and it is relatively a low pop in the grade. So. I think it actually has a chance to go higher.

OK, time to put my vintage hat back on....

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not too shabby for a second year non HOFer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Topps-...T/143970127368

these are types of cards at risk IMO. just because something is rare, does not mean it has to be expensive. i cannot imagine recurring demand for a card like this